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Old January 24, 2012, 01:12 AM   #26
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That might get you arrested in Ohio. You are required to inform immediately. I've heard that 50 seconds will get you hung. After the Canton cop thing, yell it out if you have to no matter what the cop says.
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Old January 24, 2012, 05:45 AM   #27
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I've had police tell me it's a good idea to inform even if not required. Hard for me to see a downside to this.
Most of the time there is NO downside. Around here there are a LOT of younger LEO, they tend to make me nervous after I inform them about my weapon. I never say anything unless they ask.

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To me it looks strange for a driver to have everything in hand like theyve been pulled over so many times they done got this down to an art
I've actually been complimented for having everything ready.

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I think if it were me, I rather plan on not getting stopped in the first place.
Thats my game plan, but it doesnt work too well when quota time comes. I know a few of the LEOs by first name now. They're just doing their jobs.
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Old January 24, 2012, 07:10 AM   #28
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I'm of the mindset that the more information the officer has the better. Pull over, car off, interior lights on windows open and hands open and on steering wheel. Hi I'm officer X with such and such. Hi I just want to let you know that I have a concealed carry permit and I have it on me, or in the vehicle whatever the case may be. I recall a video by Mossad Ayoob mentioning that it's not a great idea to just blurt out I have a gun. Every time I've been pulled over and do these things it has immediately changed the tone of the conversation and the officer has been much more comfortable as well as I haven't gotten any tickets while carrying!


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Old January 24, 2012, 09:18 AM   #29
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I can't even remember the last time I was pulled over individually--but where I live in the south it's fairly common to encounter roadblock sobriety checkpoints and "dragnet" roadside inspections where everyone is stopped that just happens to be passing by.
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Old January 24, 2012, 10:35 AM   #30
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I don't know where you live hangglider but here in Texas that use to be a thing, now it's a no-no.
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Old January 24, 2012, 12:43 PM   #31
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I've had police tell me it's a good idea to inform even if not required. Hard for me to see a downside to this.
What police might want and what they can require are not always the same thing.

How is your CHP relevant to a traffic stop?

Though I have seen plenty of folks saying it got them off from a ticket.
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Old January 24, 2012, 07:35 PM   #32
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organized drivers

The driver in the video is a Long-in-the-tooth truck driver; he has his stuff organized from habit. Doing so make it quicker and less stressful than searching through the glove box and/or center console looking like you don't know what you are doing. This makes the officer stressed, having folks digging through hidden and hard to see areas.

I personally get stopped very rarely, and I mean very rarely ... I drive safe, at least when I am not on my motorcycle and even then most of the time ... but I keep my license, insurance, and permit all in my badge case ready to go!

It also helps if you make a big BOO-BOO and are lying in pain on a stretcher. The paramedics can find your stuff quickly, notify your wife quicker, so she can cash in your life insurance, and her new boyfriend can buy a new Corvette, which she wouldn't let YOU BUY!
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Old January 26, 2012, 01:00 PM   #33
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the one that you couldnt buy. hehe
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Old January 26, 2012, 01:10 PM   #34
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another reason I like Texas!

I just take it for granted that someone would have to show their registration or insurance. In Texas it's now online and available to the officer. If you try to give them your insurance card, they've told me they don't need it. Basically you just hand them your Drivers License. You are required to inform. So I just hand them both over. The one thing I noticed about the video though was that it appeared that he didn't turn off the car. I thought that was preferred (car off, keys on dashboard is how I do it).
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Old January 26, 2012, 01:37 PM   #35
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I think that if I had to reach into my coat for my license, because I wasn't astute enough to have it out already, then I'd let the officer know I'm legally armed and then ask him if I could reach in my pocket.
I do my rummaging around and reaching in pockets after I pull over and before the cop even gets out of his car. I get my wallet and proof of insurance out and put them on the dash, then my hands on the steering-wheel and wait for the officer to get there. If I was pulled over at night, I would turn the dome light on first.
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Old January 26, 2012, 02:45 PM   #36
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Rj1972, yep there are alot of things that are preferred but very seldom all or some are done. As an officer you just have to deal with what you recieve or what you can get. Sure I would like every stop to be step 1, 2 and 3 and on down the line but sometimes they are so far from that either but a driver not knowing,didnt get the e-mail or plainly just trying to be stupid and alot of times ****** at the stop and seeing how far they can get by with stuff. Tea, like that always works out in their favor! By really sometimes there are officers who my opinion are really nervous are even scared sometimes and let people go just because they dont want to deal with certain individuals.
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Old January 26, 2012, 03:57 PM   #37
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Never been stopped, but I would shut off the engine put the keys on the dash and keep my hands in plain sight at the 10 and 2 o'clock position on the steering wheel and wait for instructions from the LEO...Not a good idea to be moving around in the car opening the glove box, reaching under the seat, etc...A BG will kill you with his hands and it's critical to let the LEO know where yours are.
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Old January 26, 2012, 06:51 PM   #38
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I know a whole lot of police officers, and have more than a coupler that are family members. They all recomend having everthing where you can get to it without digging for it. If you have a CCW hand it over on top of the drivers liscense, and make sure you have the proof of insurance handy.

When the LEO gets to the vehicle keep your hands visable, do not make sudden moves, make sure the vehicle is in park, with the ignition turned off, keep your seatbelt buckled, and on properly unless asked to step out of the vehicle. Never get out of the vehicle unless the officer tells you to do so.

Regardless of if you have a CCW or not the above paragraph is a recoemendation to avoid a lot of problems for you, and the LEO.
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Old January 27, 2012, 11:55 AM   #39
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The one thing I noticed about the video though was that it appeared that he didn't turn off the car. I thought that was preferred (car off, keys on dashboard is how I do it).
I don't think there is anything wrong that but not necessary in most cases. If he thinks you are unsafe, because such is the reason he stopped for in the first place; DUI, Reckless, Wanted, etc, then YES he will ask to turn off your vehicle. He is now thinking about a possible arrest, and wants the vehicle off, and you out of the vehicle shortly.
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Old January 27, 2012, 09:19 PM   #40
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The one thing I noticed about the video though was that it appeared that he didn't turn off the car.
I have only been pulled over twice and both times it was in the winter. Up here I think they understand if you keep the car running when its -30 lol.
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Old January 27, 2012, 11:35 PM   #41
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Every state is different but in Arizona ...

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... the law does not require you to inform an Officer you have a permit/license to carry if approached by that Officer on any type of official business.

Also in Arizona ...

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Old January 28, 2012, 08:53 PM   #42
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Here in Wyoming there's no duty to inform, but when they pull up your plate it lists the registered primary driver, and GUN: Y or N, based on if you are a CCW holder.
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Old January 31, 2012, 03:32 AM   #43
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In Missouri when your drivers license is checked, the concealed carry should come up. It should.
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Old February 2, 2012, 06:38 PM   #44
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The thing is in Texas it is not uncommo for a police officer to ask if you have a concealed handgun in the car. There is no liscence requirment to carry in the car, so some people have a loaded concealed handgun in the car that do not have a CHL. It is perfectly leagal provided that it is concealed.

Most cops I know will ask that question quickly.
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Old February 4, 2012, 07:53 PM   #45
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I'm not sure that grabbing all the paperwork and moving around in the vehicle is such a good idea before you stop. As an ex Trooper the thing that made me most uncomfortable was a lot of movement in the vehicle after I hit the lights.
I'm in NE IL (moved here from suburban Detroit back in early '96). When I first moved here, I was living on the NW side of Chicago. One morning on the way to work, I was stopped for allegedly not fully stopping at a stop sign. Now, mind you, I was driving a Ford Escort, no gang banger car. Two cops came at me, one on each side of my car, guns halfway out of their holsters. What seemed so threatening to them, I've no clue. I'm a short white female and was alone in the car. They got real antsy when I went to get my proof of insurance (in IL, you have to show proof of insurance along with DL when cops pull you over) out of the glove box.

The last time I got stopped in the NW suburbs (where I now live) a few years ago, it was for a tail light I didn't know was out. I rolled down my window and then put my hands very visibly on steering wheel. When the officer came to my window, I asked him if I could get DL out of my purse and insurance card out of glove box.

The officer told me he appreciated me asking, rather than just going for my documents.
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Old February 4, 2012, 08:15 PM   #46
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It continues to amaze me that a standard procedure has not been adopted by National Law Enforcement Standards.

Even the AZ DPS (state patrol), according to the Officers I have spoken do not have a procedure which they want followed.

My personal procedure is to hand my CCW and DL to the Officer when he asks for my DL. i then answer the Officers questions clearly and directly. I also keep my Insurance and Registration in a compartment which does not contain a firearm or ammunition. Before I open the compartment I tell the officer it does not contain any weapons.

Nothing is quite as stimulating to an Officer when a driver opens his glove compartment and a pistol falls out. (Personal experience while I was conducting a traffic stop)
There is not SOP because each state has different laws. Some states like FL you are not required to inform the LEO, but its a courtesy (and would be a smart thing to do.)

I've never shown my CWL permit unless asked. Some cops don't ever care as long as you're cooperative and don't give them a reason to be suspicious.
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Old February 12, 2012, 07:47 PM   #47
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NC requires you to inform. I think I'd do it even if it was optional.
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Old February 18, 2012, 04:28 PM   #48
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Agree about standard procedure and wish there was one ...

Been stopped twice since last summer and I did the same thing in both cases ...

An Arkansas trooper stopped my wife and I on a vacation trip to Branson, MO in a rented car ... kept my hands on the wheel, when he got to the window, I told him I had a Texas CHL and was armed ... he asked for my license and CHL and asked me where the gun was .. told him it was in a holster in the door pocket, he told me to leave it there and to exit the car ... then things got a little weird, at least from my point of view ... he asked if he could pat me down; I said sure, advising him there was a pocket knife clipped to my pants pocket ... then he sat me down in the cruiser, told me he'd pulled me over for allowing my right front wheel to cross the curbside white line (on an interstate) ... then he proceeded to talk to me about guns, asked what I was carrying and whether it would make a good backup ... let me go with a warning ...

The second time was in my little dinky town in TX, pulled over by a constable for not having a front plate on the car ... same routine, never asked to see the gun, gave me a fix-it, which I did the next day ...

In both cases, I kept my hands in sight and did not start reaching for my wallet until he had asked for my papers and could see what I was doing ... both were educational and sort of entertaining since I didn't get ticketed in either case ... my advice is don't fumble around for your papers until the officer asks for them and can watch you doing it, and tell him or her when they get to the window that you are legally armed if you are ... I understand the law may not require notification; I just do automatically as a courtesy .. LEOs have a tough enough job dealing with people on the wrong side of the law; anything you can do to ease their minds when they approach your vehicle is a plus in my mind ...
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Old February 18, 2012, 05:02 PM   #49
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Bikerbill glad it worked out for you. I wouldn't think strange, when I pull people over sometimes I ask about weapons sometimes I don't but if you do get out or I have pc for search. First thing is a pat down and with legit people I like to discuss their guns as well. I am a gun nut and it gets lonely out there in the wee hours by yourself. Plus one for getting info after being asked instead of Johnny on the spot. Hate to see people fumbling around at three in the morning and I might ask for insurance, I might not. I might pull over driver for swerving, talk to them to find out they're sleepy, seems legit. Don't need info in every stop. Coutesy will take someone so far.
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Old April 2, 2012, 09:05 PM   #50
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I might pull over driver for swerving, talk to them to find out they're sleepy, seems legit. Don't need info in every stop. Coutesy will take someone so far.
You are right on point with that one brother!

There are too many variables to have one protocol as a nation wide mandate. Each state and city has different Politics, leaders, and points of view. Common sense use to be common, but today it appears to be rare!

Remember if you are stopped: YOU KNOW YOU ARE A NICE GUY ... THE COP DOESN'T KNOW YET, SO ACT ACCORDINGLY!
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