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Old January 22, 2012, 06:51 PM   #1
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What is the hardest to find pistol ammo?

What pistol can you still buy on the primary or resale market that has ammo that is very difficult if not impossible to find?

UPDATE / MORE INFO: There is a tradition started some time ago to get the other person a Christmas gift that looks great but has some not so obvious quirk. (The best one yet was a guard dog that couldn't bark)
I'm looking for a handgun as this coming year's gift. The goal is that the recipient will likely not easily find ammo.

I saw the pin fire reference but not sure I can find that type pistol for a nominal budget of $ 600. Any suggestions appreciated.
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Old January 22, 2012, 06:54 PM   #2
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anything pin fire for a quick guess

here is a list from a website that makes hard to find ammo.

some are now reloadable but some are to obscure for companies to make dies for reloading anymore.
Obsolete Pistol Ammo
Metric at Bottom
22 Remington Jet
22 Centerfire Magnum
221 Remington Fireball
256 Winchester Magnum
30 Luger
7.65X21mm Luger
30 Mauser
7.63X25mm Mauser
32 French
7.65mm MAS
32 Colt
32 Long Colt
32 Short Colt
32 Smith & Wesson
32 Smith & Wesson Gallery
32 Smith & Wesson Long
32 Colt New Police
32-44 Target
320 Revolver
35 Smith & Wesson Auto
35 Automatic
357 Auto Magnum
357 Auto Mag
357 AMP
38 ACP
38 Auto
38 Automatic
38 Auto Colt Pistol
38 Long Colt
38 Short Colt
38 Smith & Wesson
38 Colt New Police
380/200
380 Long Revolver
380 Short Revolver
41 Action Express
41 AE
41 Long Colt
41 Short Colt
44 Auto Magnum
44 Auto Mag
44 AMP
44 Bull Dog
44 Colt
44 Colt Conversion
44 Smith & Wesson American
44 Smith & Wesson Russian
44 Webley
442 RIC
442 Kurz
10.5X17Rmm
44 Webley "Bull Dog"
45 ACP Short
45 Webley
45 Smith & Wesson Schofield
45 Schofield
450 Revolver
450 Adams
455 Revolver Mk I
455 Enfield
455 Colt
455 Revolver Mk II
455 Webley Revolver Mk II
455 Webley Automatic
476 Eley
476 Enfield Mk III
50 Remington
M71 Army
50 Remington Navy
Metrics
5mm Bergmann
5mm Clement Auto
5.45X18mm Soviet
5.5mm Velo Dog Revolver
6.5mm Bergmann
7mm Nambu
7mm Baby Nambu
7.5mm Swedish Nagant
7.5mm Swiss Army Revolver
7.62mm Russuan Nagant Revolver
7.62mm Russuan Nagant
7.5mm Russian Nagant
7.62X38Rmm
7.62X25mm Tokarev
7.62mm Tokarev
7.63mm Mannlicher
7.65mm Mannlicher
7.63X25mm Mauser
30 Mauser
7.65mm Borchardt
30 Borchardt
7.65mm MAS
32 French Long
7.65mm Roth-Sauer
7.65X21mm Luger
30 Luger
8mm Lebel Revolver
8mm Nambu
8mm Rast-Gasser
8mm Roth-Steyr
9mm Browning Long
9mm Federal
9mm Glisenti
9mm Largo
9mm Bayard Long
9mm Bergman-Bayard
9X23mm Largo
9mm Mauser
9mm Steyr
9mm Ultra
9X18mm Police
9mm Winchester Magnum
9X21mm
9X21mm IMI
9.8mm Automatic Colt
9.65mm Browning Automatic Colt
10.4mm Italian Revolver
10.35mm Italian Revolver
10.35mm Glisenti
11mm French Ordnance Revolver
11mm French Revolver
11mm German Service Revolver
10.6mm German Service Revolver
10.6mm German Ordnance Revolver
10.8mm German Service Revolver
10.8mm German Ordnance Revolver
11.75mm Montenegrin Revolver
11mm Austrian Gasser
11.25X36mm Montenegrin
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Old January 22, 2012, 07:41 PM   #3
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As I understand your question, it isn't about obsolete ammo, but rather hard to find current ammunition.
I would say at the XXXMarts, and XXXSports big stores that sell guns and ammo in the department over in the corner, behind the ball gloves and golf clubs. and smaller gun shops it would be 7.62X25 for the Tokarev, and CZ 52 9X18 Makarov, and 10MM.
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Old January 22, 2012, 08:16 PM   #4
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In modern calibers at your average retailer I believe it would be 41 Magnum and 10 M/M. Just a guess though.
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Old January 22, 2012, 08:24 PM   #5
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the ammo used by these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet

there is two kinds a Mark I- 13 mm rocket and a Mark II- 12 mm rocket

as far as "normal" ammo I would say a 41 magnum
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Old January 22, 2012, 08:47 PM   #6
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Hardest ammo for me to find is Winchester 150 grn LSWC, none +p, none HP.

I tried to switch to Remington only to find out it take 2 ti 3 hammer stricks to get it to go off with my 642, and no its not the gun, it works with everything else including my reloads with Remington primers.
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Old January 22, 2012, 08:53 PM   #7
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Theres only 1 place in my area where i can find .44 Special.
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Old January 22, 2012, 09:17 PM   #8
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what about a herter's 401 powermag?
that would fit the bill..
you can do a search..they exist and are obscure, there is a good post on the smith&wesson forum, and there is one for sale on gunbroker..
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Old January 22, 2012, 09:25 PM   #9
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Around my parts it would be .38 or .380, EVERY store you go to says "I don't know man, we've had it backordered for weeks now"
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Old January 22, 2012, 09:40 PM   #10
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In addition to the other posts, I'll add. 357 sig and. 45 gap. Shouldn't be hard to find either in your price range.
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Old January 22, 2012, 11:23 PM   #11
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I haven't looked that hard, and don't own one, but I imagine .25 and .32 NAA are hard to come by. At times, especially when certain elections are about to happen, the answer is 9mm.
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Old January 22, 2012, 11:51 PM   #12
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Dan Wesson 375 Super Mag or 11mm Wildey Mag, however both guns would have to be trashed to get one for 600 bucks
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Old January 22, 2012, 11:54 PM   #13
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.414 Supermag.

2.7mm Kolibri
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Old January 22, 2012, 11:56 PM   #14
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how about .45 super?
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Old January 23, 2012, 12:03 AM   #15
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.41 Short (rimfire)
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Old January 23, 2012, 12:12 AM   #16
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Old January 23, 2012, 12:22 AM   #17
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I dont know about the hardest to find, but in context of the thread im going to recommend a nagant revolver.

And thats the second time today.

Wierd lookin' round, great for a gag. look for a picture. good history and story on that.

and $100 isnt bad for a gag either. and when its all over its a fine handgun and a fine cartridge.
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Old January 23, 2012, 12:29 AM   #18
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Another vote for nagant revolver. cant go wrong for $100

ammo is hard to find but not impossible so they can use it every once in a while..specially when you factor in 32 long colt
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Old January 23, 2012, 12:55 AM   #19
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Another vote for nagant revolver. $100 and you're set. Make sure to get them at least one box of ammo just to give em a then watch them squirm later on
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Old January 23, 2012, 01:14 AM   #20
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Nagant revolver is good (I just saw your update about what you're up to), but something a little nicer would be a Webley Mk4, or Colt Police Positive revolver. You can get a good one for about $300. .38 S&W (a.k.a. .38 Colt NP) is hard enough to find, and impossible with heavy bullets for the Webley.
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Old January 23, 2012, 08:30 AM   #21
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I have found S&W 32L to be available locally and on-line both as finished ammunition and components.
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Old January 23, 2012, 09:29 AM   #22
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2.7mm and 3mm Kolibri have to rank pretty high on the list, as well as Trounds for the Dardick pistol.
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Old January 23, 2012, 11:08 AM   #23
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After my first post I did think about 7.62X38 Russian for the Nagant. Especially after I looked at a Cabela's add that showed they are now selling them.
Also the 41 Mag, 357 Sig, and 45 GAP are good points. How about 327 Federal. Is it getting harder to find?
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Old January 23, 2012, 11:19 AM   #24
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If it's a new gun, the answer is easy. Cimarron Lightning in .41 Long Colt.

http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Spe...-Lightning.htm

I have yet to see a LGS that stocks .41LC, and the price of new ammo and cases will make your jaw drop.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/687...-bulk-packaged
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?&sortb...ensionid=10103

Furthermore, AFAIK bullet casting molds aren't even made for this cartridge, probably because of the inconsistent bore diameters used by Colt. The cartridge was originally loaded with a heeled outside-lubricated bullet, but Colt later switched to a smaller-caliber inside-lubricated bullet with an expanding base, but they apparently never firmly decided what caliber to use*; their later revolvers were reportedly built with a baffling array of bore diameters. AFAIK molds used to be produced in several different calibers- the shooter / bullet caster was expected to slug the bore and match the mold to the individual gun- but as the cartridge fell into obsolescence, the molds were discontinued, and people now have to custom-order .41LC molds.

*Footnote: Firing undersize .41LC expanding-base bullets in oversize bores never worked very well and gave the cartridge a reputation for "can't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside" accuracy; this is often given as the reason why the cartridge was eclipsed by .38 Special and fell into near-total disuse.
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Old January 23, 2012, 11:25 AM   #25
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If you watch Gunbroker, every once in a while you will see a Baby Eagle (Jericho 941) in .41 AE. They aren't to expensive and I don't know if .41 AE is made anymore.
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