Auto Ordnance + short barrel question....

Famas · January 19, 2012, 12:21 AM

Hello - I recently saw this ad.....I've been wanting one for some time.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=269896737

I do re-enactments occassionally, and I see other re-enactors carry these, with the long barrel which naturally looks very wrong.

A friend of mine stated that it was possible to put on a correct GI barrel with the proper $200 tax and papers, and still keep it semi-auto. (The barrel would have to be tapped of course to cycle blanks.) Is this true? Can I get one of these, and have a proper barrel installed by paying this special fee......all while not needing a class III and having it remain a semi-auto?

Any advice is helpful. Thank you.

johnwilliamson062 · January 19, 2012, 01:20 AM

Depends on what state you are in and you can't cross state lines with an NFA item without getting ATFE permission first.

I could do it in Ohio.

Famas · January 19, 2012, 01:40 AM

I live in Indiana. I should have mentioned that, my apologies.

PTK · January 19, 2012, 11:09 AM

Class three is the category of taxation for the dealer. NO short rifle, shotgun, silencer, full auto, destructive device, etc., needs a "class three permit" to get. You pay a one-time $200 tax to receive a stamp on a paper form. The stamp and form is proof you're legal for that item on the form, whether it be a short barreled rifle or whatnot. Each NFA item needs its own stamp.

SBRs are allowed in IN, so far as I know.

The process is simple. Fill out a "form 1" (5320.1, found here http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-1.pdf) in duplicate, fill out a 5330.20 (http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf), get the form 1 signed by the CLEO, get fingerprints taken, send the forms, fingerprint card, and a $200 check to the address on the form 1. Wait a few months, and you'll get one of the form 1 copies back, with a $200 NFA stamp (canceled of course) affixed. At that point, the firearm must be marked with the indicated data from the form (you can do this prior to receiving the form back, of course - engraving can take a bit of a wait depending on the engraver), and then you can have the short barrel installed.

It's just a waiting game, but it's much easier than most people think.

Some great reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_II_weapons
http://atf.gov/firearms/nfa/
http://atf.gov/firearms/guides/ident...-firearms.html <- this has a selection of examples and descriptions to help understand what's called what in the NFA world.

Willie Lowman · January 19, 2012, 01:43 PM

Or you could find a dealer and have one of these transferred to you

http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com/m1sbr.html

January 19, 2012, 12:21 AM	#1
Famas Member Join Date: December 5, 2009 Location: French, currently living in US Posts: 94	Auto Ordnance + short barrel question.... Hello - I recently saw this ad.....I've been wanting one for some time. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=269896737 I do re-enactments occassionally, and I see other re-enactors carry these, with the long barrel which naturally looks very wrong. A friend of mine stated that it was possible to put on a correct GI barrel with the proper $200 tax and papers, and still keep it semi-auto. (The barrel would have to be tapped of course to cycle blanks.) Is this true? Can I get one of these, and have a proper barrel installed by paying this special fee......all while not needing a class III and having it remain a semi-auto? Any advice is helpful. Thank you. Last edited by Famas; January 19, 2012 at 12:26 AM.

January 19, 2012, 01:20 AM	#2
johnwilliamson062 Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 6,094	Depends on what state you are in and you can't cross state lines with an NFA item without getting ATFE permission first. I could do it in Ohio. __________________ $0 of an NRA membership goes to legislative action or court battles. Not a dime. Only money contributed to the NRA-ILA or NRA-PVF. Of course, you could just donate to the Second Amendment Foundation I was feeling pretty good, then I looked around and realized I am not swimming or on fire.

January 19, 2012, 01:43 PM	#5
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 1,932	Or you could find a dealer and have one of these transferred to you http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com/m1sbr.html __________________ "No, it's not a silencer. This little doodad is my own invention. I call it a loudener." --Sledge Hammer

January 19, 2012, 01:40 AM	#3
Famas Member Join Date: December 5, 2009 Location: French, currently living in US Posts: 94	I live in Indiana. I should have mentioned that, my apologies.

January 19, 2012, 11:09 AM	#4
PTK Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Posts: 441	Class three is the category of taxation for the dealer. NO short rifle, shotgun, silencer, full auto, destructive device, etc., needs a "class three permit" to get. You pay a one-time $200 tax to receive a stamp on a paper form. The stamp and form is proof you're legal for that item on the form, whether it be a short barreled rifle or whatnot. Each NFA item needs its own stamp. SBRs are allowed in IN, so far as I know. The process is simple. Fill out a "form 1" (5320.1, found here http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-1.pdf) in duplicate, fill out a 5330.20 (http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf), get the form 1 signed by the CLEO, get fingerprints taken, send the forms, fingerprint card, and a $200 check to the address on the form 1. Wait a few months, and you'll get one of the form 1 copies back, with a $200 NFA stamp (canceled of course) affixed. At that point, the firearm must be marked with the indicated data from the form (you can do this prior to receiving the form back, of course - engraving can take a bit of a wait depending on the engraver), and then you can have the short barrel installed. It's just a waiting game, but it's much easier than most people think. Some great reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_II_weapons http://atf.gov/firearms/nfa/ http://atf.gov/firearms/guides/ident...-firearms.html <- this has a selection of examples and descriptions to help understand what's called what in the NFA world.