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Old January 12, 2012, 03:02 PM   #1
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CVA 50 cal. pistol question

Hello everyone. I recently purchased this CVA .50 cal pistol in an estate sale. The note in the that came with it said: .490 round ball over 25gr FF or 30gr FFF. Does this sound correct or would you use a different load? Thank you.
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Old January 12, 2012, 03:36 PM   #2
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I'd go with the FFF, and of course make sure you patch the ball.

Looks like the CVA "Mountain" pistol, I had one just like it, wish I hadn't traded it

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Old January 12, 2012, 03:54 PM   #3
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Your shot-strings sounds good and I too would recommend the FFF. Only thing that I would add, is the use of a .015 patch. You may have to play with that and on this pistol, you really don't need to be tight. Now then, you are going to see hotter loads but 30, is a good place to be. Just enjoy shooting it. ...



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Old January 12, 2012, 04:18 PM   #4
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3Fg will perform better for you in the pistol.
Personally, I would start with 25 gr. of real black powder.
They are actually a pretty good pistol. You will enjoy.
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Old January 12, 2012, 05:57 PM   #5
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Thanks to all of you for your help. Pahoo, I do have a question about the patch. I also have a Hawken 50 rifle. In that gun, I use a material that has what appears to be a flame retardant on the back side that goes next to the ball. It comes as a long, narrow piece of cloth that has to be cut off once the ball is seated just below the muzzle. Will this material work in my pistol?
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Old January 12, 2012, 06:11 PM   #6
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It has to be 100 % cotton. Lite a match to a little piece of it and smell it.
It should burn up into just ash if cotton.
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Old January 12, 2012, 08:07 PM   #7
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I think you are okay !!!

If it's good enough for you rifle, it's good enough for your pistol. ....
Now, fine Linen cotton cloth is what is prefered. You don't want any synthetics like nylon or whatever. Not sure of what you are describing but looks like it might be something along the line of good old pillow ticking. As kwhi43@kc.rr.com has described, give it a burn test. Also want to look at some lubrication like bore butter or spit patch. ...


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Old January 12, 2012, 09:35 PM   #8
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This is the material I am using. The light colored side goes next to the powder and the ball seats on darker side. The package it came in reads: Texas Patching. Have any of you seen this, and if so, do you know where I can buy more of it?
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Old January 12, 2012, 09:54 PM   #9
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An empty .357 magnum case comes very close to holding 25 grains of FFF if you don't have an adjustable powder measure.
An empty .223 case will measure 31 grains.

Want to measure 35 grains of powder?, find an empty AK-47 case.
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Old January 13, 2012, 12:13 PM   #10
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Beats me ???

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Every time I think that I have seen everything, something like this comes along to prove me wrong. Have to admit that I have never seen this kind of patching and are you sure it's for M/L's? Sounds like you have some directions as to it's use, so perhaps you could persue it that way. I'd even question how it mics. .....

Years back when I went to "Friendship", someone would show up with something new or different. I always enjoyed that as it gave me ideas of what I could do. There might be some good logic of putting the light side goes to the ball but right now it sure escapes me. It might be acting as a buffer.

Is it possible that you would punch out Bore-Buttons" out of this material??

As best you can, please let us all know what you come up with.


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Old January 13, 2012, 02:16 PM   #11
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I was first introduced to that patching material at a TMLRA meet in Brady, Texas a couple of years ago. I think I may have incorrectly posted how it is used. First, charge the rifle with powder; place the material shinny side down on top of the muzzle; lube the dark side; place the ball onto the dark side; start the ball; when the ball is just below the muzzle, cut the material off; finishing seating the patch and ball onto the powder.

As soon as the weather warms up, I am going to try it in the pistol mentioned above. Hopefully, I will be able to document it and post the pics here. Either way, I will let you all know how it works.

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Old January 13, 2012, 03:01 PM   #12
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The Texas Patching is just Teflon coated materal. I used to make it and
sell it. Good stuff. Thats all we use in the rifles. You can get it from the
Minuteman. They have a ad in "Muzzleblast"
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Old January 13, 2012, 03:42 PM   #13
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I have a similar pistol from Traditions and have really enjoyed it. I hope you get as much fun from yours. I like the yellow patches with lube in them (not the little wads, the patches).
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Old January 13, 2012, 03:43 PM   #14
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I don't understand the part about lubing the ball side. There's no point to it.
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Old January 13, 2012, 07:28 PM   #15
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Thanks for your response. I have limited experience with the product but when I used it, I had great results. Based on what I have written re how I use it, am I using it correctly?
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Old January 13, 2012, 07:44 PM   #16
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I'm a regular at the TMLRA shoots and am familiar with the Teflon coated patching. I use no lube whatsoever, the Teflon IS the lube.
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Old January 13, 2012, 08:08 PM   #17
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I was told by a heavy bench shoot who made it and sold it until he passed
away to put the un-coated side on your tounge and wet it so it will seal
the grooves in the barrel better. It just makes the material more plyable.
You want it just damp, not wringing wet.
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Old January 14, 2012, 10:57 AM   #18
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This is the material I am using. The light colored side goes next to the powder and the ball seats on darker side. The package it came in reads: Texas Patching. Have any of you seen this, and if so, do you know where I can buy more of it?
If you live close to Brady, TX, the TMLRA "Frost on the Cactus Shoot" is going to happen on the second weekend of March, March 9,10, and 11, 2012. The trader that sets up there ought to have a bunch of it for sale.
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Old January 14, 2012, 02:51 PM   #19
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I was born and raised in Brady and sure wish I could be there for the shoot in March, but I will not be able to make it this year.
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Old January 20, 2012, 12:22 AM   #20
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The Patch After It Has Been Fired

I finally made it to the range today. Here is a 'front' and 'back' view after firing. I found it @ 15 yards down range.
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Old January 20, 2012, 02:03 AM   #21
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Preacher, that's a dandy lookin' pistol you got there. I can't add a thing to the advice you've gotten. But like Kadmos, I had one of those that I wish I could get back. Built it from a kit in probably '78 or thereabouts. Traded it back to the very dealer that I bought the kit from for a BUNCH of shooting supplies, powder, caps and I don't remember what all. Looks like you're gonna have fun with that one.
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Old January 20, 2012, 11:55 AM   #22
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Looking Good !!!

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That looks like some good printing to me. I always check/read these as well as sabots, in the field, especially on any new M/L, we are working with. Glad to see you are getting in some range-time. Currently we are predicting 6" of snow so once more, will have to wait. ......


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