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Old January 25, 2012, 05:28 PM   #1
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1860 CVA Brass Frame .44 Kit HELP

I recently rediscovered an old 1860 .44 Brass frame CVA kit that I received back in the 80's.
I have completed the assembly and started to polish and mate everything and a huge hole has opened up in the frame. The rear
right side is structurally gone Is there any way I can replace this as a Part? Dose anyone have a resource
For such parts I could contact.. I have no preference it could be a steel frame as well.

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Old January 25, 2012, 06:12 PM   #2
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You'll need to know who actually made it. Either ASM or Pietta. My guess is ASM with workmanship that shoddy. You can probably fit a frame from another manufacturer but it won't be a bolt up deal. Go with steel.
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Old January 25, 2012, 07:33 PM   #3
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You could machine the whole side off if you wanted and it would be like a J H Dance revolver. see pic.
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Old January 25, 2012, 07:37 PM   #4
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This sounds like a project for Doc!
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Old January 25, 2012, 07:52 PM   #5
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Except that it's a brass frame.
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Old January 26, 2012, 02:10 AM   #6
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Fix it with a steel bushing

All of the CVA parts were purchased by Deer Creek Products of Waldron, Indiana telephone 765-525-6181.
But they won't have a replacement frame.
If you can, post a photo of the hole that opened up.
If the arbor is tight then the hole may not cause any functional problem at all.
There's also a "steel washer" fix where a thin rimmed steel bushing can be fitted and inserted into the recoil shield at the back of the frame.
That helps to prevent the brass frame from being batter by the cylinder during the recoil of firing.
Read posts #5 & #6 in the thread below describing how to install the washer. The poster named "rifle" is also a member of thefiringline and can be asked for advice by sending him a PM.


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...+shield+washer

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Old January 26, 2012, 06:34 AM   #7
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It is probably ASM. I think....

....that Deer Creek is all but out of business.

In large part they ran out of ASM parts over the last coupla years. They now have very little in that way. Some screws maybe.

It seems like a mom and pop operation and mom and pop are both getting up in years.

Long time to get to the phone. Un-answered calls, No messages returned, etc.

Darned shame because they were good folks to deal with. Knowledgable and friendly.

I would be happy to learn they are healed and back in business for real.

I have two of these revolvers and I like them. It is worth some effort fixing but not worth the cost and hassle of a new frame. Darned hard to come up with a new frame. I have a coupla brass ones but I doubt they would fit an ASM.

We do need a photo.

Dependng upon where the hole is and how big, you could drill it, thread it, turn a brass crew into it and then round it off. The repair would be detectable on close inspection but not obvious to the casual observer.

Another caution here is that if the hole intrudes into an operating channel in the frame, the screw that is used for the repair will need to be short enough not to get in the way of the operating parts. I am thinking primarily of the hand channel.

Finally if the hole compromises the strength of the frame, you might try silver soldering the screw in place. Absolute cleanliness of the surfaces in essential for good solder wetting.

This has the parallel advantages of added strength and a less obvious repair.
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Old January 26, 2012, 06:50 AM   #8
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Some additional thoughts

The tap drill index will show three different size twist drills for the hole you will be tapping.

Use the smallest size drill for several reasons:

1) Smaller hole is less intrusive in the strength of the frame.

2) Screw will remain in place better in a smaller hole.

3) Repair will be less detectable with a smaller hole.
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Old January 26, 2012, 11:53 AM   #9
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Here is an illustration of the problem. The Orange dots represent the opening, The Green Area is the
Void found by probing the holes. Note the two smaller ones open up and show up in the threads about half way in.
The frame is garbage, I just thought I could salvage the rest if I could find a frameā€¦ Thanks Guys.

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Old January 26, 2012, 12:39 PM   #10
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Whoa!

Much worse than I thought.

Sell it for parts.
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Old January 26, 2012, 12:47 PM   #11
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I just checked my parts and I have two brass frames for Colt .44 in good condition.

One is ASM and the other is of unknown origin but probably Pietta. They are visibly different.

If you are interested in getting a frame and fixing this pistol, send me a PM.

OR

If you want to sell the pistol as is, also send a PM.
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Old January 26, 2012, 12:52 PM   #12
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News Flash!!!!!!

Just got off the phone with Deer Creek. They are back in business full swing.

They have a frame for 55.00.

A young gentleman answered the phone on the third ring.

I was very wrong about these folks. I am not happy to have made the mistake but I am happy to find it was a mistake.
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Old January 26, 2012, 03:33 PM   #13
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Doc, PM in bound.
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Old January 28, 2012, 01:48 AM   #14
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I'm amazed that Deer Creek had an ASM frame available.
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Old January 28, 2012, 05:51 AM   #15
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I doubt.....

....that it is an ASM frame. I think it is likely one which they have determined will fit.

There are an awful lot of ASM pistols around. I think there might be a fair market for internals but I don't know about frames.

I should also have have asked if they had a steel frame which would fit. But I did not think fast enough.

The shop is only open Monday through Thursday.

So they may still be operating on a shoe string but I would hate to try to make a living selling parts for BP weapons alone.
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