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Old January 12, 2012, 07:53 PM   #1
cjwils
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When an antique gun might not be an antique

What to do about sellers on internet auction sites who say a gun is an antique and no FFL is required, but there is no proof that the gun was made prior to 1899? I have encountered this twice in recent months. First, someone selling a Winchester rifle said it was made in 1898 (antique), but Proofhouse.com said the serial number was from 1899 (not antique). I told the seller about that, but he continued to list it as an antique, and he sold it. The second time was a gun that had no serial number. It was a type that some resources say was made from 1887 (antique) into 1899 (not antique). Even though it cannot be proven to be an antique, the seller said he can sell it as one, because the lack of a serial number leaves its age in doubt.
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Old January 13, 2012, 09:53 AM   #2
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What to do about sellers on internet auction sites who say a gun is an antique and no FFL is required, but there is no proof that the gun was made prior to 1899?
What to do?

Easy. Ignore them and let the ATF worry about it.

FWIW the line defining an "antique" is not always clear.

Although reference sources often claim that a specific serial number is the cutoff between one year's production and the next, collectors have often found guns that turn out to have been built in the "wrong" year when a factory history letter is obtained. Many 19th-century industries used a business model that was quite the opposite of today's popular "fast turnaround - minimal inventory" philosophy; it was not uncommon for manufacturers to accumulate vast stockpiles of extra parts for future production, so items like guns were often assembled out of serial number order.

The production year for legal antiques has been interpreted to be the year the serial-numbered part (e.g. the frame or receiver) was built, which is NOT necessarily the same as the date the gun was assembled and shipped. For example, S&W famously built enough frames in the early 1890s for their .44 Double Action top-break revolvers that they were able to produce the unpopular model until 1913 using parts from inventory (see above). Every .44DA is considered an antique, even though IIRC about half of the total production was assembled in 1899 and later!
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