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Old January 5, 2012, 10:48 AM   #1
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22-250 vs. 223

Which has a flatter trajectory? Which damages less meat? What would you choose?
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Old January 5, 2012, 11:40 AM   #2
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If you don't shoot the eating part, you don't damage meat.

To around 250 yards, there's not enough difference in trajectory to matter. It's out past 300 where the .22-250 becomes The Boss.

I'm not as interested in Ma Bell shots as I was twenty or forty years ago, so I'd stay with my .223. It's good for prairie dogs to 300.
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Old January 5, 2012, 11:46 AM   #3
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Which damages less meat?
I am nowhere near hungry enough to eat prairie dog or coyote.
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Old January 5, 2012, 11:47 AM   #4
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I have (3) .223 ..and (2) .22-250

And I dont shoot much out to 300yds... so I really dont see much difference except in FPS.
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Old January 5, 2012, 12:04 PM   #5
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Just curious, Disco....

Do you have a high speed camera?

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so I really dont see much difference except in FPS
..... because I think that without one, the only way to realy see the difference between 3400 and 3800 f/sec would be to use one.

A chronograph would give different readings, but that is not very visual....
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Old January 5, 2012, 12:09 PM   #6
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Was only referring to published speeds Jim...

... no... didnt see the difference with the eye
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Old January 5, 2012, 12:18 PM   #7
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I've got both. I love the 22-250, it has so much more power, and range estimation is not so important. That said, I shoot my 223 a lot more, it's just more pleasant to shoot and out to 300-ish yards it works just as well as the big boy. Hits on smaller animals with the 223 are not quite as dramatic as using the 22-250, but it still works. If I had to pick one for a first rifle or all-around rifle, it would probably be a 223.
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Old January 5, 2012, 12:25 PM   #8
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That said, I shoot my 223 a lot more, it's just more pleasant to shoot
I'm curious why you feel this way?
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Old January 5, 2012, 12:34 PM   #9
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That said, I shoot my 223 a lot more, it's just more pleasant to shoot and out to 300-ish yards it works just as well as the big boy.
.22-250 is "the big boy"? lol I suppose prairie dogs think it's the equivalent of an 88, but ...... "big boy"?
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Old January 5, 2012, 01:25 PM   #10
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That said, I shoot my 223 a lot more, it's just more pleasant to shoot

I'm curious why you feel this way?
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Speaking for myself,noise level tends to make the 223 more acceptable at ranges,I like both but it depends on use, the ,204 Ruger is a good option fast like the 22-250 but less muzzle blast and highly accurate.
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Old January 5, 2012, 02:11 PM   #11
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.223 and .22-250 both shoot the same bullets. The .22-250 can do it about 20% FASTER than the .223.

Doing this means a bigger case, more powder, and so more noise, and slightly more recoil (something I could measure, but not feel). Shoots flatter, too...

.22-250 costs a bit more, and performs a bit more. If it is useful to you, then its worth it. IF not, then, not.

I've had rifles in both calibers for decades. If I'm hunting, I use the .22-250. For playing & plinking (and defense, should the situation ever arise) I use the .223. But that's because of the rifles they are in, not the cartridges themselves.
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Old January 5, 2012, 02:28 PM   #12
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Even with the right powder ,if you want the velocity advantage of the 22-250 your going to be going through barrels much faster.
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Old January 5, 2012, 03:21 PM   #13
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Even with the right powder ,if you want the velocity advantage of the 22-250 your going to be going through barrels much faster.
Not necessarily. I can launch 35gr bullets from a 24" 22-250 at over 4,400fps (real chronographed speed) at an estimated 58,000 psi. The SAAMI max for 22-250 is 65,000, which is not terribly barrel friendly but 58k is approximately the max pressure before barrel wear goes exponential.
That's only 3,000 psi over 223 levels but over 500fps faster.

I guess I can somewhat understand the muzzle blast feelings but I do not share them. Once a gun is loud enough that I need hearing protection I've never been bothered by differences between cartridges.
I suppose there are localities where a slightly quieter gun might help appease to neighbors but, having many, many times fired 204 and 22-250 right beside each other, I can't tell enough difference (from any distance) that it concerns me at all. Any of the cartridges in the "light, high-speed" world seem more or less "HolyCrap" loud to me, it's just a matter of how many exclamation points come after the HolyCrap!
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Old January 5, 2012, 03:32 PM   #14
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When I shoot prairie dogs I use my 223 in the morning until the wind comes up; then I switch to my 22-250.

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Old January 5, 2012, 03:50 PM   #15
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Thanks for the good information. I said meat when I should have said hide/fur
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Old January 5, 2012, 04:36 PM   #16
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Using a vmax or match bullet with the 22-250, you'll get a .224" entrance hole in a coyote, and no exit hole.

Turns the chest cavity into soup de jour.

Hunting at long ranges in wide open spaces like I do the varminter has a clear and real world advantage. I can be up to 100 yards off with the range estimate and still get a hit, where the 223 would be a miss.

Shooting at targets at known distances, flip a coin.

If you handload, there is no reason to pick 223 over the varminter.
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Old January 5, 2012, 04:40 PM   #17
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I'm curious why you feel this way?
Primarily muzzle blast, my 22-250 is considerably louder and more concussion when firing than my 223. And recoil starts to become a factor when you shoot a couple hundred rounds per day. Sure, a few rounds, there's hardly any recoil at all to a 22-250, but after 200 rounds it becomes annoying. Takes me a lot longer to get tired of shooting the 223, and by then I'm done anyway.
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.22-250 is "the big boy"?
Yes, on several points. It uses >50% more powder which translates pretty well into increased muzzle blast and recoil, the rifle is a full-sized Mauser sporter vs my 223 which is an Interarms Mini Mauser, and the 3,900 fps with the 22-250 will vaporize small animals while the 223 at 3,200 fps just dismantles them.
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Old January 5, 2012, 05:04 PM   #18
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Military Surplus Ammo and Brass

No one else has mentioned this.

If you do not reload, then surplus military ammo is MUCH cheaper for 223 (IMI M193 55gr FMJBT ammunition 30 round box $10.00/30) than factory 22-250 ($14 to $20 for 20 @ Midway). That is a 52 to 67% savings by going with 223. And yes, varmint bullet loads are available in the same price range from Fiocchi, although a 223 FMJ will leave as small a hole as any.

If you DO reload, you can get 1,000 rounds of quality LC 223 brass for $89 with the primer crimp removed @ www.gibrass.com

Wideners has 22-250: R22250 22/250 Unprimed Brass $34.00 per 100, or $340 per 1,000.

This is a 74% savings by going with 223.

223 also loads with less powder than 22-250.

So, you have to ask yourself: Would you rather shoot a lot?
Or, spend much more to have better specs on paper, with limited practical advantage?
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Old January 5, 2012, 05:59 PM   #19
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At one of the varmint hunters' websites, I've read commentary that the 35-grain bullets don't exit and are thus preferred by the hide sellers.
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Old January 6, 2012, 12:06 AM   #20
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Q1: 22-250
Q2: too many variables to give a definite answer.
Q3: I have both and 204 as well. I shoot the 223 the most simply because I'm used to it.

If you are talking about pelt damage, its a bit of a crap shoot. They both use the same bullets but the 22-250 sends them at a higher speed so you would assume it would make a bigger wreck. Here's what I've seen using 40 grain vmax out of a 223: most often you will only have an entrance wound with zero exit. Vmax are highly frangible which is good for varmints but it also makes them a bit unpredictable on impact. I've put one into the back hip of a coyote at 20 yards and had no exit at all. I've put one between the eyes of a coyote at 60 yards with no exit. I've put one in the ribcage of a coyote at 115 and seen surface splash blow a hole big enough to put a golfball through but the innards were left intact. I've put one in the boiler room of a coyote at 240 and had it damn near take his opposite shoulder off on the way out the door. And I've shot one in the front shoulder at 160 yards that I had to work to find any blood on at all. (thought I had scared her to death). There's been lots more but those are some of the ones that stand out in my mind as doing differently than expected upon impact. Overall, I would say 80% of the time I will not see an exit wound with that bullet from my 223.
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Old January 6, 2012, 08:29 AM   #21
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I don't agree with shooting any animal with FMJ no matter how cheap it is !
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Old January 6, 2012, 09:52 AM   #22
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FMJ?

Is it legal to use FMJ for hunting? I know in Michigan you can't use FMJ for whitetail deer, but not sure about yotes or varmints.
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Old January 6, 2012, 10:53 AM   #23
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I use the vmax because it shoots well in my rifle & gives me the results I desire. As for shooting fmj, Kansas has no restrictions on caliber or projectile. Coyotes are vermin....vermin that cost me over $6000 in lost revenue last year from calves they killed. I owe a coyote absolutely nothing and I want them dead. If fmj's worked better I would use them. It's easy to take the moral high road when there's no toll booth.
With that said, me & the 223 laid another one down this morning at 145 yards. First saw her standing broadside at about 450 yards. Would I have taken the shot with my 22-250? Maybe. Felt like it was too far for the 223 shooting 40 grains w/ me pulling the trigger.
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FMJ Legal in California for non-game critters

"ยง475. Methods of Take for Nongame Birds and Nongame Mammals.
Nongame birds and nongame mammals may be taken in any manner"

Ironically, FMJ are required by international conventions for shooting humans at war. Expanding projectiles were banned in this application.

There are exceptions and other state laws, that do not relate to FMJ.
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So, you have to ask yourself: Would you rather shoot a lot?
Or, spend much more to have better specs on paper, with limited practical advantage?
I don't see the practical advantage of the .22-250 over the .223 as limited.

I have guns in .22 Hornet, .221 Fireball, .222 Rem, .223 Rem, and.22-250, and while there is some overlap, each one performs a particular task better than the others.

I don't varmint hunt with a .223. I have a fine .222 and an even better .22-250, for when the Hornet or the Fireball isn't enough. For me, where the.223 is useful is in semi auto carbines. I no longer have any ARs, but I have held on to a Mini 14. Fine rifle for what it is. What it isn't is a tackdriving varminter. Not a problem, I have other guns for that.
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