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Old December 30, 2011, 02:41 PM   #1
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New hand & spring for pietta '51

Is there any other reputable source for these besides VTI?
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Old December 30, 2011, 03:14 PM   #2
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Yes

Dixie Gun Works....

But I recommend you identify several different things you need because of the shipping. (That would be true of VTI as well.)
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Old December 30, 2011, 05:36 PM   #3
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Taylor's

Or better yet, do a coil spring & plunger conversion. I had been putting it off till I broke 3 hand springs in three pistols at the same match. I'm going to do all of my match gun shooters now.

You having trouble getting one?
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Old December 30, 2011, 06:07 PM   #4
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Well, I wouldn't say having trouble. Just wondering if there's a competitor that has what I'm looking for and if there's a diff in quality so I don't have to do this over & over.

I've read the book on the plunger device but this is a brass frame and just not sure it's worth the expense to do so on such a gun.
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Old December 30, 2011, 07:33 PM   #5
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OK, Sometimes VTI (and Dixie and Taylors) is out of stock and waiting for a shipment seems like it takes forever. You won't find any difference in quality. Pietta parts are only made by Pietta. All the distributors get them from the same place.

As to cost on a brasser. The spring & plunger from Brownells costs less than a replacement hand & spring. You could always use a piece of a bobby pin to make a replacement spring on the existing hand. Bobby pins are thicker and probably not as prone to breaking as the production spring is. I did that to one of my Ubertis before I did the coil spring mod. It worked just fine for the couple matches I used it.
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Old December 30, 2011, 08:55 PM   #6
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Well maybe I'll go see about the spring/plunger setup then. BTW, I tried the bobby pin approach and apparently I did that incorrectly cause it didn't work for me. If didn't ruin the hand, maybe I'll first go back & see if I can win round 2 with the bobby pin fix.

I should probably see if I can do that first anyway before I go drilling holes in a gun frame.
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Old December 30, 2011, 09:22 PM   #7
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I have found the replacement hands & springs seem to hold up better than what comes with the gun. BUT! Fitting the new hand to the gun is a PITA so I try to keep the original hand and just replace the spring. Hence the recommendation I hereby make to give the bobby pin another go.
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Old December 30, 2011, 09:44 PM   #8
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I got mine from Cabela's.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat104218380

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Old December 30, 2011, 10:15 PM   #9
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What was the problem with the bobby pin?
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Old December 30, 2011, 11:36 PM   #10
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If I were to need hammer, trigger, bolt, hand.spring, main spring and trigger spring I might just spring for a parts kit. But at $40, it's a little pricey for just a broken hand spring.

My first attempt with teh bobby pin was half a$$3& at best. 2nd try worked just fine. Problem was getting the notch opened up to get the broke piece out then staked back down to hold the bobby pin tight. Needed 3 hands to do it.
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Old December 31, 2011, 01:26 AM   #11
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Hawg, I dunno why this happened but the bobby pin didn't seem to have the strength to push the hand forward. I adjusted it to have some tension but it basically just collapsed. so I'll see if I can do it over...not sure about that because I peened the hand pretty good in order to make the pin fast in the notch. I did use the wide pin BTW.
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Old December 31, 2011, 02:57 AM   #12
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Numrich has the hand with spring assembly for a mere $23.00.
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Old December 31, 2011, 02:45 PM   #13
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The replacement from Dixie has worked a lot longer than the original.
Has anyone tried replacing the spring with one made from auto feeler gauge?
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Old January 1, 2012, 02:32 PM   #14
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They break often!

It seems the Hammer Spring is the Achillies Heel of the Single Action! I have broken both a Piettia and an Uberti and I think that these won't be my last as the stock part is fragile and appears to fail often.
I am going to try the Bobbypin trick to my Uberti and I hope to fix it for a while!
I installed a replacement in my Piettia that I got from Dixie Gunworks and it has functioned well in a Brass Framed .44.
I think part of the problem is that shock from discharge gets funneled back to the Hand.
Whatever the problem is, BP revolver shooters have long had this dilemmia and just feel lucky that we only depend on these revolvers for "FUN"!
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Old January 11, 2012, 04:42 PM   #15
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hand/spring assy.

since we're on hand and springs, does anyone have a secret source for ASM open-top parts? The hand and spring assy. on the ASM open-top is not like 51's 61's etc...VTI and Traditionsfirearms don't carry them. I'm tired of restaking spring and afrade it may break one day and then...., Spring and plunger job appear forthcomming....Thanks..
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Old January 11, 2012, 05:12 PM   #16
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ASM Parts are no longer available

Those folks who say that have ASM parts are either selling you something that was made recently for ASM pistols or they are just selling you anything and telling you they are for ASM.

I have had luck adapting Pietta Parts for ASM revolvers. The good news there is that Cabela's has a kit of all the internals for about 30.00.

Good idea to familiarize yourself with the Pettifogger articles before you start.
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Old January 11, 2012, 11:45 PM   #17
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The Ugliest Hand


I bought a nice little ASM Wells Fargo model from an auction site. It needed some work on it including the hand/spring assembly.


I repaired the old hand with a nail and ball point pen spring. I cut a grove in the hand, installed a nail and the modified spring and soldered it all together. The photo does not do justice as to how ugly this little guy really is. But it works great and the lightened spring gives it a quality feel.


The repaired hand in place almost touches the arbor when at full cock.
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Old January 12, 2012, 06:16 AM   #18
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Ugliest hand?

I don't know, Joe....Looks pretty functional to me.

This is a five shot revolver, huh?

I had my most major problems replacing a hand on a five shot revolver from ASM. It wound up being the ratchet on the cylinder. Not indexed properly. I got it working but just barely and almost wound up in divorce court.
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Old January 12, 2012, 07:34 AM   #19
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Doc, Yes this is a five shot revolver. I agree with you the five shots present more problems with timing than six shooters. But this ugly hand works great. I left it a little longer than the original so maybe that's the secret.
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Old January 12, 2012, 07:43 AM   #20
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Joe

I went through two brand new hands on that revolver filing and grinding. Then I realized that the cylinder was wrong.

I wound up recutting the ratchet which was mis-indexed by about 25 or 30 degrees.

The pistol works but I am so scared of it I don't shoot it much.
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Old January 12, 2012, 10:27 AM   #21
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All of my guns have the Pettifogger conversion(spring and plunger).

J Bar has a spring replacement that he does by drilling into the hand at the old spring crimp site and staking a piece of music wire to replace the old flat spring. Works for him.
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Old January 12, 2012, 01:30 PM   #22
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BLAST!

I was thinking of that.
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Old January 13, 2012, 12:08 PM   #23
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I broke a spring in the 1860 after about 40 shots, got a new one from VTI and had a smith put it in for me (for 65 bucks!) but it has worked flawlessly for about 400 shots now. (Still haven't gotten the courage up to take it apart and start filing/drilling on things myself)
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Old January 13, 2012, 12:28 PM   #24
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Installing a spring is no biggie except you have to make a spring. If you buy a hand it has the spring installed but the hand has to be fitted. Also not a biggie if you go slow and take your time.
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