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Old December 26, 2011, 03:03 PM   #1
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AR 15 chambered in 25-06

Im from VA and i love to hunt, also im in the military and want a AR platform rifle. You cant hunt with a 5.56 in VA. I was looking at the .243 but they are horrible looking. The 6.8 doesnt seem to have the reach for hunting that need. However, my old remington 25-06 has never failed me (knockdown and range). I was wondering if anyone has has, herd of, or knows someone who could build an AR-15/ M16 type weapon system chambered in 25-06.

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Old December 26, 2011, 03:14 PM   #2
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The 06 length shell is too long for the magazines of the AR-15 or Ar10 platforms. The only common magazines I can think of that would take that long of a cartridge were those of the BAR of WW2 fame.
You can get a 260 Remington in the AR-10 size platform, and the 260 will do about anything the 25-06 will do.
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Old December 26, 2011, 03:20 PM   #3
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Thanks for the intel i just hate the DMPS look with the hand guards, this is the reason i dont want to 243 I want more traditional m16 type styling. I think i might have to have one built.
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Old December 26, 2011, 04:15 PM   #4
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What about a 6.5 Grendel?
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Old December 26, 2011, 04:35 PM   #5
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The most readily available semi option in 25-06 would be a BAR... If your budget isn't limited you could probably get a 25-06 semi from J.P. Sauer...
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Old December 26, 2011, 05:38 PM   #6
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Olympic Arms sells AR-15 uppers chambered in 25 WSSM, which is supposed to mimic 25/06 ballistics.
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Old December 27, 2011, 06:52 AM   #7
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I second the .260 Rem recommendation. Very similiar ballistics an better BC than the .25-06 which means it will retain energy better on those long shots. Availability of off-the-shelf ammo (if you don't reload) is the only concern I can think of.
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Old December 27, 2011, 08:40 AM   #8
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Im from VA and i love to hunt, also im in the military and want a AR platform rifle. You cant hunt with a 5.56 in VA. I was looking at the .243 but they are horrible looking. The 6.8 doesnt seem to have the reach for hunting that need. However, my old remington 25-06 has never failed me (knockdown and range). I was wondering if anyone has has, herd of, or knows someone who could build an AR-15/ M16 type weapon system chambered in 25-06.
Thanks for your service, I am also stationed in Norfolk. the AR15 and AR10 are both short action rifles. you cant get a long action chambering such as 30-06, 25-06 or 300 winmag. I hunted most of my teen years with a 243 and it is a very fine round for deer out to and exceeding 500 yards, I never shoot past 300 but the rest of my family doesn't seem to have trouble with those long shots. the 25-06 is very similar to the 243. the only difference is one is a 308 that was necked down to a 6mm bullet and the other is a 30-06 necked down to a 6mm bullet. ballistically they are both so similar that you probably would not notice any difference at all.

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the DPMS is going to be the same as many other AR10s. free floated hand guards add a great deal of accuracy to the gun. I am the opposite though, I hate four rails and love tubes. there are a number of 4 rail options for AR10s just like AR15s. ARs are like big boy LEGOs, you can always buy extra pieces to improve your already existing box of LEGOs
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Old December 28, 2011, 08:25 AM   #9
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25 cal. is NOT 6mm.
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Old December 28, 2011, 11:00 AM   #10
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The 6.8 doesnt seem to have the reach for hunting that need.
Are you shooting game over 350 yards away? Considering the .30-30 has been America's #1 deer round for over 100 years, with an effective range of 250 yards, I choose the 6.8SPC precisely because it would deliver more power at longer ranges in the AR. The 6.5 will, too.

Those are the #1, and likely, #2 best selling alternative cartridges in the AR, and have the power needed. If shooting regularly beyond 400m, the 6.5G would be the recommended one. However, the fact is most hunters don't, especially in edge woodlands. The sightlines and tactics don't happen.

The AR15 takes a cartridge with 2.300 max overall length. You can juggle the case capacity, case diameter, bullet diameter, and bullet length, but you can't exceed that. If anything, the 6.8 and 6.5 are good examples of the different ways to get there, but the reality is that sighted in, they shoot to the same point of impact, and bullets in a variety of weights are available for both.

In terms of ammo available ready to ship off the internet shelf, them's your choices for the AR in hunting cartridges. Most of the rest haven't cut it to any great degree, or remain vaporware.
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Old December 28, 2011, 11:40 AM   #11
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Gotta chuckle at the idea that the .243 is horrible looking. Horrible or not, I've put tags on a couple of dozen bucks with mine. But, gotta admit that I'd rather eat deer meat than worry about "purty".

I've been messing with ARs for some thirty years, now. I don't see it as all that wondrous a platform as a hunting rifle, for all that I have one for a truck gun.
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Old December 28, 2011, 12:00 PM   #12
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Gotta chuckle at the idea that the .243 is horrible looking. Horrible or not, I've put tags on a couple of dozen bucks with mine. But, gotta admit that I'd rather eat deer meat than worry about "purty".

I've been messing with ARs for some thirty years, now. I don't see it as all that wondrous a platform as a hunting rifle, for all that I have one for a truck gun.



I want the have the Hand guard rail system, I'd perfer the the 243 caliber however i havent found one with that adaptable with the knights armament hand guards. basically i want a rifle i can do CQB (close quarters battle) and take out to hunt with. I have plenty if other rifles i just want the best of both worlds i guess.
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Old December 28, 2011, 12:13 PM   #13
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The 6.8 doesnt seem to have the reach for hunting that need.
Perhaps what he means by reach is trajectory.
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Old January 20, 2012, 10:33 PM   #14
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AR in .243

For the first time in six years, ArmaLite is producing its AR-10 chambered in .243 Winchester. This limited run is the direct result of customer requests for an ArmaLite chambered for the ultra-accurate .243 ammo.

The .243 Winchester round fits this AR-10 platform with no alterations. It has much less recoil than .308 rounds. Because of its high speed and accuracy, the .243 makes this ArmaLite perfect for game including deer and coyotes.

The first limited run of AR-10A4’s in .243 has just come through the line. A second run is set for this Summer. Contact your local ArmaLite dealer for details.
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Old January 20, 2012, 11:18 PM   #15
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If you are willing to go the 308 cartridge, RRA has some nice non miligray R-10 styles in their LR8 model.

More tube than rail, stainless steel barrel and Coyote Pursuit or some such.
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Old January 20, 2012, 11:24 PM   #16
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25-06 vs 243

Contrary to popular mythology, the 243 is not equal to the 25-06.

Technical Information
•Caliber: 243 Winchester
•Bullet Weight: 95 Grains
•Bullet Style: XP3


Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 3100 fps
•Muzzle Energy: 2027 ft. lbs.

Maximum Point Blank Range= 304 yds
Energy at MPBR= 1280 ft. lb



Technical Information
•Caliber: 25-06 Remington
•Bullet Weight: 115 Grains
•Bullet Style: Ballistic Silvertip
•Case Type: Nickel Plated

Ballistics Information:

•Muzzle Velocity: 3060 fps
•Muzzle Energy: 2392 ft. lbs.
Maximum Point Blank Range = 303 yards
Energy at MPBR= 1627 ft. lbs
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Old January 20, 2012, 11:27 PM   #17
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If zeroed at 200 yards, the 6.8 110gr and the .243 100gr have about 3 inches difference in bullet drop at 300 yards and that is with factory loads.
Colorado, I didn't realize this was an old thread but still, with a slight advantage going to the 25-06 in retained energy, it is practically the ballistic twin of the .243.

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Old January 21, 2012, 12:35 AM   #18
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I want the have the Hand guard rail system, I'd perfer the the 243 caliber however i havent found one with that adaptable with the knights armament hand guards.
Are AR-10 handguards not easily replaceable like AR-15 handguards? I thought Knight and DPMS shared barrel nut size.
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Old January 21, 2012, 04:47 AM   #19
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I was looking at the .243 but they are horrible looking


Gawd - that is just a horrible-looking cartridge!

Seriously, though - I've never had any trouble putting down deer with the .243. It's a great cartridge for the job.
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Old January 21, 2012, 07:57 AM   #20
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here you go, 4 rail handguard for AR10s(took about 5 minutes on google)
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Old January 21, 2012, 03:06 PM   #21
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25-06 vs 243

HI Slappy--Don't get me wrong, I think the 243 is a fine cartridge for deer and antelope. Evidently elk have been taken with that caliber. I have toyed with the idea of getting a 243 m'self, as I don't like recoil and muzzle blast all that well.

However, I have seen many places where the 25-06 has been compared to the 243 like they are no different. That is just wrong. In the factory ammo specs in my previous post, the 25-06 has over 25% more energy at MPBR.

My handloads that are directly taken from the Nosler reloading book using 100 gr. BT bullets and chrony at 3300 fps. I have never seen any data indicating that a 243 can come close to that.

Again, the 243 is a great caliber. Just not true that it matches up well with the 25-06.
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Old January 21, 2012, 04:20 PM   #22
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A 6.8SPC can get on out. I mean, its a 300 yard capable cartridge. If you are a lover of the AR platform, its a fine choice for deer hunting. If you want a 25-06, go for a bolt action. If you want a lightweight AR to deer hunt with, you won't be able to do any better than a 6.8SPC, especially if you don't reload.
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Old January 21, 2012, 04:32 PM   #23
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Again, the 243 is a great caliber. Just not true that it matches up well with the 25-06.
Take a look at these charts and see what you think. True that the 25-06 has the advantage in energy naturally but, as far as trajectory goes, I don't see enough difference to talk about. In fact the .243 has a slight advantage when it comes to bullet drop out at 3 and 400 yards.

http://www.hornady.com/images/ballis...ics_charts.pdf
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Old January 21, 2012, 09:23 PM   #24
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Remington R-25
.243
7mm-08
.308

they all look like the same, barrel is only difference.
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Old January 21, 2012, 09:42 PM   #25
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http://www.remington.com/product-fam...odel-r-25.aspx

I would think that the 7mm-08 is closer to the 25-06 in both power at longer ranges and trajectory.
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