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Old December 26, 2011, 07:18 AM   #1
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Home Invasion 101: failure

One guy failed his Home Invasion 101 class, he forgot to tell his buddies that if it gets ugly, be sure who they are shooting.

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...-home-invasion

I have to admit that I don't like seeing anyone shot, but this guy kinda deserved it, . . . and I did chuckle a bit.

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Old December 26, 2011, 07:30 AM   #2
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A motivated home owner defends the castle with a Louisville Slugger from 3 aggressors with a gun!

What's not to love?!

Thanks for sharing that. I doubt I would have run across that on my own.
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Old December 26, 2011, 08:05 AM   #3
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No one ever said criminals were smart...or well trained. Too bad his accomplices weren't using a major-caliber handgun.
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Old December 26, 2011, 09:14 AM   #4
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There is no IQ requirement to become a criminal.
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Old December 26, 2011, 11:51 AM   #5
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Jhenry: There is no IQ requirement to become a criminal.
Neither do we have to administer an IQ Test, nor an age questionaire in Texas when an intruder is breaking into a home. We call it home invasion here. And some of those very low IQ people as well as teenagers have been guilty of horrendous crimes. And some teenagers are tried as adults in Texas. In my old age, with the problems I have, I am certain that there are young teenagers I could not handle without the equalizer.
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Old December 26, 2011, 12:23 PM   #6
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As far as the Equalizer goes, if one doesnt do the job just get a bigger caliber and keep shooting! haha this is a funny story though! Heres you a Free Present!!!
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Old December 26, 2011, 12:32 PM   #7
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invasion

home invasion seems like a real tough way to make a living. the smart crooks usually make it to ripping off the elderly etc. no wonder only the idiots do the invasion thing.
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Old December 26, 2011, 01:15 PM   #8
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And the Darwin award for December 2011, goes to Hot damn some people are even to dumb to be crooks

Score one for the good guy's. Ya gotta love it!!
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Old December 26, 2011, 01:24 PM   #9
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What is the definition being used for your post?

Hello Dwight,

As an American living in a third world country time capsule for the past 30 years, I just became aware of the phrase “home invasion” on this forum. Not knowing what it was, I goggled it and came up with this definition:

There is no clear definition of “home invasión”. While the use of the term has become common in recent times, it has no legal meaning. There also appears to be considerable variation in what “home invasión” actually means for police, victim and the media. According to one newspaper report (Sydney Morning Herald, 5/11/94) “home invasión” was coined by New South Wales investigators working on Task Force Oak, a specialist Asian crime unit set up in 1991. The term referred to several home raids where Asian families were “terrorised” for money by gangs of three or more people armed with shotguns and knives. Source: www.ocsar.sa.gov.au/docs/information...

What is the definition being used for your post?
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Old December 26, 2011, 03:13 PM   #10
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It means when someone enters I'n a residence with the intent to rob the place. It works I'n the crooks favor if no one is home. If there is someone home and they choose to defend theirself and property then you shoot crook multiple times and problem is resolved!
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Old December 26, 2011, 03:42 PM   #11
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It's really a pity the guy lived. Could have had all 3 off the streets forever.
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Old December 26, 2011, 04:07 PM   #12
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I had thought "home invasion" normally referred to intentionally breaking in / forcing in when people were home, in order to force them to hand over drugs, open safes, etc. Home invasions are deliberately violent.

Home invasion normally is not used to describe a burglar surprised by the presence of home owners.

They usually seem to occur at the homes of drug dealers; sometimes they happen because the robbers get the wrong address. Sometimes they have what was once a drug address, but is now owned and occupied by solid citizens - this happened to a couple in Missouri, which is why Missouri home sellers must now answer a disclosure as to whether a home was ever used as a meth lab.

Sometimes drugs and bad addresses are not involved. The gang who executed Byrd and Melanie Biilings near Pensacola thought Billings had a quarter million in a safe in the house... Leader of the gang was a former employee of Billings.
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Old December 26, 2011, 06:59 PM   #13
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Comment on post 11, Yes and a shame we tax payers have to now take care of scum like this!
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Old December 27, 2011, 09:55 AM   #14
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It's really a pity the guy lived.
Really ? Why ? The threat ceased to be a threat, the sad part is that someone would make such a statement, and call himself a "responsible" firearms owner. The gunwoobie surfaces again.... See the quote in my sig line by wildalaska...
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Old December 27, 2011, 12:07 PM   #15
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Wow. The BG confirmed: Life's tough when you’re stupid!! Glad the homeowner didn't get hit!
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Old December 27, 2011, 12:58 PM   #16
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From Florida. Shocking.

I wonder if they could tack on assault with a deadly weapon since his accomplice attempted to shoot the homeowner. Although, Mr. Clay was the actual victim of the assault so maybe that isn't completely fair.
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Old December 27, 2011, 01:06 PM   #17
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Should be attempted murder; assault with a deadly weapon; aggravated assault; assault consummated by battery; firearm used in commission of a felony; more than likely possession of a firearm by a felon.

There is a laundry list that could be thrown at the lot (I believe in Florida, accomplices in a crime are all equally liable for charges).
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Old December 27, 2011, 01:38 PM   #18
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^ I was thinking the same thing.

The only thing I could think of was that the DA is holding the laundry list of other charges to bargain with - if Clay cooperates they charge him only with home invasion robbery, if he doesn't cooperate they throw the book at him.

I wish there were money to investigate and catalog every shooting, like federal funding to the local LEAs and coroners office, and it would go in a database so we knew more about shootings in general like what caliber was used.

It would be like a federally funded Marshall & Sanow type study. It doesn't say what caliber Clay was shot with.

I suspect, but obviously have nothing to support it, that the shooter in this case had a caliber less than 9mm, I'll even venture to say it was less than 380 Auto. But it's just my guess.
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Old December 27, 2011, 04:43 PM   #19
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From the link:

Investigators said one of Clay’s accomplices tried to shoot the resident, but instead inadvertently shot Clay.


Good shot placement!
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Old December 27, 2011, 05:06 PM   #20
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These things happen. Here's a guy who, like many gun owners, believed that there was no need for training or practice.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2008/06...e-invader.html
A would-be Grand Prairie home invader apparently shot himself in the process and died at the scene early Tuesday, police said.
http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2008...-home-invasio/
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Old December 27, 2011, 05:57 PM   #21
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JohnKSA, that article is also another example of the hazards of holster-less waistband carry.
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Old December 27, 2011, 06:32 PM   #22
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The article said it was "small caliber"

What does that mean?

Ugh... it's so frustrating not to get the details !

I wonder if this guy killed himself with a .32 or what....
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Old December 29, 2011, 07:45 AM   #23
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Dwight: One guy failed his Home Invasion 101 class, he forgot to tell his buddies that if it gets ugly, be sure who they are shooting.
You know I have a double locked deadbolt door where I live, only way in too.
And while I would not make a sound if someone was kicking the door in I would probably wait till they got the door down before I started firing with a
CA 44 Bulldog. And I live in a bad area, so I thought I would just run this by
my police officer friend, what he would do as he also lives in another apartment complex. He said he would shoot thru the door unless they identified themselves as police. I said what if it turned out to be some drunk?
And he said they should not have picked his house. So I think most people around here would. My brother, another police officer said when the door starts to heave. Thats two for two, in law enforcement, but I want to be sure
I see what I am shooting at. I never made sound shots hunting deer when I grew up.
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Old December 29, 2011, 08:28 AM   #24
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Two for two with very poor advice.
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Old December 29, 2011, 10:24 AM   #25
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jhenry: Two for two with very poor advice.
I am no so certain about that, but I just will give no warning, but will wait till I can be sure I will hit whoever is coming thru a double locked deadbolted door that has to be kicked in. Waiting till I can see the intruder, helps me
be able to make my shots count but also takes a chance if he comes in shooting he may hit me. I am reluctant to criticize those who are in career law enforcement. Those people who live in safe areas however, probably don't even have to worry about anyone knocking their door down anyway, and probably have a security service as well. Apt complexes in rural ares of
Texas however, are exposed to more crime, and dopeheads looking for money to fund their drug habits.

I saw however, on First 48 that Dallas which I thought was a fairly safe city
with three carjackers killing a man, in a botched robbery. They got 30, 20 and 20 year sentences. Whether it is an intruder breaking a door down, or
a carjacker doing a robbery, the victims can follow all the rules and the laws,
and end up dead. This is why I like the laws on the books in Texas. Any person who is willing to burglarize a haibitation is quite willing to do any other
crime if someone happens to be home, including murdering the victim.
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