Phoenix 14 Cal.

Cheap 870 · December 25, 2011, 06:41 PM

My brother in law has a single shot shotgun made by Phoenix.
It says PHOENIX CAL 14 PATENT MAY 26 74 on the top of the barrel.
Does anyone have any info on this gun? (Value).
I can only email pics.
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HisSoldier · January 16, 2012, 05:59 PM

If you can email pics you should be able to show them here.

Cheap 870 · January 16, 2012, 08:39 PM

I just got a photo bucket account. Sorry if the pic's aren't that good. I down sized them because any bigger & it said the file was to big.

Cheap 870 · January 16, 2012, 08:43 PM

More pic's from an IPhone.

Cheap 870 · January 16, 2012, 09:42 PM

2 more pic's.

Steven Mace · January 16, 2012, 09:50 PM

Looks like you have a Whitney Phoenix Breechloader. These were made from 1867-1881. Can't tell if you can the standard rifle, gallery rifle or carbine.

Steve

Cheap 870 · January 17, 2012, 06:35 PM

Hey thanks. I did a search on it & I couldn't find anything on a 14 cal. I'll keep searching.

SDC · January 17, 2012, 07:26 PM

Flayderman's Guide to Antique American Firearms says that the shotgun versions of these firearms were made in 10, 12, 14, 16, and 22 gauges, with 26, 28, 30, and 32 inch barrels, with a total production of around 5000. My copy of Flayderman's is an older copy, and only gives a value of $225 in fine condition, but that could have gone up at least some since that printing; the fact that you'rs is in 14 gauge, instead of 10, 12, or 16 might affect the value somewhat, but I can't imagine someone wanting to shoot one of these to begin with, because of the impossibility of finding parts if something was to break.

Cheap 870 · January 17, 2012, 07:58 PM

Thanks for all the help. I'll pass the info on to him. Where would he even be able to pick up shells for this relic?

RJay · January 17, 2012, 09:04 PM

It could also be 14 MM ( 32 gauge? ), similar to the 410 in size and power ( BUT! not interchangeable ), a European caliber popular at one time. I believe it is still being loaded over seas and can be ordered.

SDC · January 17, 2012, 11:01 PM

The 14 gauge is long obsolete, and about the only way you could make ammo for this is to machine hulls from solid brass stock; I honestly don't see any reason to shoot a gun this old to begin with, though.

SHNOMIDO · January 17, 2012, 11:42 PM

Id like to point out that we have referred to this firearm as

.14 caliber
14 millimeter
14 gauge

which is correct?

RJay · January 18, 2012, 01:38 AM

If the chamber is bigger than a 20 gauge, then is 14 gauge, if it is about the size of a .410 then it is 14MM, as far as I know there is no such animal as a 14 caliber per say, it is 14 something

. The only way you can tell for sure is to measure the chamber, we are just giving the possibilities. Only the person who has possession of the shotgun can make that determination

RJay · January 18, 2012, 01:42 AM

deleted, double post

Cheap 870 · January 18, 2012, 03:05 PM

It's defenetly a smooth bore.

Cheap 870 · January 25, 2012, 06:23 PM

It's stamped on the top of the bbl. 14 cal. But it is a smooth bore.

**James K** · January 26, 2012, 09:36 PM

In many old shotguns, European and American, what we call gauge was marked on the gun as "Cal." or "Kal." I am reasonably sure the gun is 14 gauge, a long-obsolete gauge for which no ammunition is available. It is a wall hanger.

Jim

Cheap 870 · January 27, 2012, 01:45 AM

That's what I figured. But I was thinking more in the lines of a tomato stake.

natman · January 27, 2012, 06:19 AM

It's a neat old gun. It deserves better than holding tomatos.

What is the diameter of the bore?

Scorch · January 28, 2012, 03:16 PM

Many old obsolete caliber rifles get rebarreled with a BP chambering and returned to service. I see it all the time. Your old shotgun has some cash value, you could sell it and use the cash for something you would like more.

December 25, 2011, 06:41 PM	#1
Cheap 870 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 159	Phoenix 14 Cal. My brother in law has a single shot shotgun made by Phoenix. It says PHOENIX CAL 14 PATENT MAY 26 74 on the top of the barrel. Does anyone have any info on this gun? (Value). I can only email pics. *

January 16, 2012, 05:59 PM	#2
HisSoldier Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2007 Location: Oregoncoast Posts: 1,463	If you can email pics you should be able to show them here. __________________ I have CNC produced 416 stainless triggers to replace the plastic triggers on Colt Mustangs, Mustang Plus II's, MK IV Government .380's and Sig P-238's. Video on installation in Sig;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh2v_-87DRM

January 16, 2012, 09:50 PM	#6
Steven Mace Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 1999 Location: Clifton, Colorado USA Posts: 722	Looks like you have a Whitney Phoenix Breechloader. These were made from 1867-1881. Can't tell if you can the standard rifle, gallery rifle or carbine. Steve __________________ After today, its all historical

January 17, 2012, 06:35 PM	#7
Cheap 870 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 159	Hey thanks. I did a search on it & I couldn't find anything on a 14 cal. I'll keep searching. Last edited by Cheap 870; January 17, 2012 at 06:51 PM.

January 17, 2012, 07:26 PM	#8
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,575	Flayderman's Guide to Antique American Firearms says that the shotgun versions of these firearms were made in 10, 12, 14, 16, and 22 gauges, with 26, 28, 30, and 32 inch barrels, with a total production of around 5000. My copy of Flayderman's is an older copy, and only gives a value of $225 in fine condition, but that could have gone up at least some since that printing; the fact that you'rs is in 14 gauge, instead of 10, 12, or 16 might affect the value somewhat, but I can't imagine someone wanting to shoot one of these to begin with, because of the impossibility of finding parts if something was to break. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

January 17, 2012, 07:58 PM	#9
Cheap 870 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 159	Thanks for all the help. I'll pass the info on to him. Where would he even be able to pick up shells for this relic?

January 17, 2012, 09:04 PM	#10
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,415	It could also be 14 MM ( 32 gauge? ), similar to the 410 in size and power ( BUT! not interchangeable ), a European caliber popular at one time. I believe it is still being loaded over seas and can be ordered. __________________ Ron James

January 17, 2012, 11:01 PM	#11
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,575	The 14 gauge is long obsolete, and about the only way you could make ammo for this is to machine hulls from solid brass stock; I honestly don't see any reason to shoot a gun this old to begin with, though. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

January 17, 2012, 11:42 PM	#12
SHNOMIDO Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 423	Id like to point out that we have referred to this firearm as .14 caliber 14 millimeter 14 gauge which is correct?

January 18, 2012, 01:38 AM	#13
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,415	If the chamber is bigger than a 20 gauge, then is 14 gauge, if it is about the size of a .410 then it is 14MM, as far as I know there is no such animal as a 14 caliber per say, it is 14 something. The only way you can tell for sure is to measure the chamber, we are just giving the possibilities. Only the person who has possession of the shotgun can make that determination __________________ Ron James Last edited by RJay; January 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM.

January 18, 2012, 01:42 AM	#14
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,415	deleted, double post __________________ Ron James

January 18, 2012, 03:05 PM	#15
Cheap 870 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 159	It's defenetly a smooth bore.

January 25, 2012, 06:23 PM	#16
Cheap 870 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 159	It's stamped on the top of the bbl. 14 cal. But it is a smooth bore.

January 26, 2012, 09:36 PM	#17
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,399	In many old shotguns, European and American, what we call gauge was marked on the gun as "Cal." or "Kal." I am reasonably sure the gun is 14 gauge, a long-obsolete gauge for which no ammunition is available. It is a wall hanger. Jim __________________ Jim K

January 27, 2012, 01:45 AM	#18
Cheap 870 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 159	That's what I figured. But I was thinking more in the lines of a tomato stake.

January 27, 2012, 06:19 AM	#19
natman Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Posts: 1,044	It's a neat old gun. It deserves better than holding tomatos. What is the diameter of the bore?

January 28, 2012, 03:16 PM	#20
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 11,029	Many old obsolete caliber rifles get rebarreled with a BP chambering and returned to service. I see it all the time. Your old shotgun has some cash value, you could sell it and use the cash for something you would like more. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Taylor Machine