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Old December 23, 2011, 06:17 PM   #1
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Does .357 Magnum Have too Much Recoil?

I'm considering getting a 6" barreled S&W M28 with pachmayer rubber stock (N frame .357 Magnum) for home defense, woods carry, and a truck gun.


Do the fine folks here think that a self defense .357 load, 125 gr, 1450 fps jhp, would have too much recoil and muzzle flip out of this rubber gripped, 6" bbl N frame to be good for self defense?

I ask not because of comfort, but for quick follow up shots under a stressful situation

Would it have much more muzzle flip than a .45ACP out of, say, a glock 30 or other compact lightweight .45?

I know I could shoot .38's out of it but that would defeat the purpose for me.

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Old December 23, 2011, 06:23 PM   #2
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No .357 loads have bad recoil in a 6" N-frame, at least not to me. They are loud though, so wear hearing protection while practicing.
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Old December 23, 2011, 06:25 PM   #3
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It's very subjective. But a 6" gun with rubber grips shouldn't be too bad at all.
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Old December 23, 2011, 06:26 PM   #4
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I have a snub Taurus 617 .357 7shot and I don't think it has too much recoil. I shoot 158gr JHP with no problems.
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Old December 23, 2011, 06:34 PM   #5
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I carried a 4 in Model 28 for most of my 20 years in LE. I never found the recoil objectionable, but I shot lots of 357s out of it.

Great gun, it and its fancy brother the Model 27s are the best 357s out there in my opinion.

In shooting the two side by side, I do notice recoil a bit more in the 4in then the 6 inch. Your's is 6 inches so that will help.

If all else fails you can shoot 38s. But Go for it, the Model 28 will give you years of service. Even with 357s you'll never wear it out.

Great gun to pass on to your kids and grandkids.
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Old December 23, 2011, 06:48 PM   #6
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Do the fine folks here think that a self defense .357 load, 125 gr, 1450 fps jhp, would have too much recoil and muzzle flip out of this rubber gripped, 6" bbl N frame to be good for self defense?
Recoil and muzzle flip wouldn't bother me but overpenetration concerns give me pause. True SD scenario exchanges are generally under 10' so a quick little round like that seems a bit much trajectory-liability-wise... Just sayin'...
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Old December 23, 2011, 06:54 PM   #7
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The M28 is a very substantial revolver weight-wise, especially with a 6" tube. She ought to very shootable.
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Old December 23, 2011, 07:03 PM   #8
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If I remember correctly the M28 is an N Frame, and is relatively heavy. I have a couple of J-Frames, and would not want to shoot too many full powered loads at one sitting. However my M 19 is better, and I do not think a M 28 with rubber grips would be bad at all.

I'd go for it, and get some Pachmayr Decelerator® Grips. I use the Compac grips on my J-Frames and they soften the recoil a lot.

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Old December 23, 2011, 07:04 PM   #9
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"Recoil and muzzle flip wouldn't bother me but overpenetration concerns give me pause. True SD scenario exchanges are generally under 10' so a quick little round like that seems a bit much trajectory-liability-wise... Just sayin'..."


Very good point. But wouldn't anything over a .380 have too much penetration? I'm hoping to find a good, fast opening HP if I decide to go the .357 route.
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Old December 23, 2011, 07:15 PM   #10
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Would it have much more muzzle flip than a .45ACP out of, say, a glock 30 or other compact lightweight .45?
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Old December 23, 2011, 07:24 PM   #11
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I shoot 180gr LFN's in 357Max out of a 6" Dan Wesson Supermag and the recoil isn't bad at all.
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Old December 23, 2011, 07:35 PM   #12
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I push a 180 to 1200 fps in my 6" Mod 28 and don't find the recoil bad at all.
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Old December 23, 2011, 07:39 PM   #13
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The recoil in my .357 snubbie is stout, but tolerable. In my 4 inch Python, it's completely comfortable. In my Blackhawk, it's almost negligible.

These are 158gr jacketed softpoints, moderate handloads. The size of the gun makes all the difference in the world.

I don't enjoy practice with my snubbie, but I don't dread it either.
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Old December 23, 2011, 07:52 PM   #14
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Not too much recoil if you can handle it but it will have a heck of a muzzle blast with full house loads. If you are going to an N frame anyway why not get a .44 or .45 and drop the velocity/pressure to reduce the muzzle blast with just as much stopping power? Just a thought.

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Old December 23, 2011, 07:54 PM   #15
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.357 recoil from a 6" barrel should be minimal. This would be especially true if it was a partial or full lugged barrel.
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Old December 23, 2011, 07:55 PM   #16
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I would guess that you shouldn't have too much problems with recoil or muzzle flip using that set up. It's subjective of course, but that gun should tame the .357 as much as it can be.
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Old December 23, 2011, 08:11 PM   #17
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Rent one of them and shoot it.
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Old December 23, 2011, 08:37 PM   #18
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CPl a 4" Ruger SS6 using 140gr Hornady Xtp's..

very little flip, the POI is POA.

I think more flip is prevelant with the 2" variants and full poer loads, (158grs.)

As mentioned try renting for a range session.

Have you consider just rebarreling what you have, instead of additional purchase?
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Old December 23, 2011, 08:44 PM   #19
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... wouldn't anything over a .380 have too much penetration?
It's all a matter of degree... .357 comin' out of a 6" barrel is VERY speedy and strong... Yeah, expansion... a big hole... Knock-down power for sure... But probably through whatever's in the background too... Moreso than 9mm... Moreso than .45... It's all relative.

I have a .357 occasional carry too and now load it with .38+p's after giving it a lot of thought. (I'm not a LEO... and not proselytizing either... just sayin'...)
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Old December 23, 2011, 09:15 PM   #20
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I, for one, don't shoot 125gr .357 magnums. I much prefer the 140gr or
158gr loadings. Even better is the 170gr if you handload. The 125's are
hard on the gun and hard on the shooter.
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Old December 23, 2011, 10:18 PM   #21
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I think you will enjoy the M-27. The recoil is snappy, but is nothing that any healthy adult cannot enjoy.

The only reservation I have is that you mention "home defense/truck carry" in your first sentence.

A 125gr at 1450fps fired at the range with double hearing protection is not something you will soon forget.

The same round fired indoors (or in the small confines of a truck cab) in an HD scenario without hearing protection is a really bad idea. Your hearing will almost certainly be permanently (and likely badly) damaged.

A good .38 Spl round will serve just fine as an HD round while avoiding (most of) the damage to your hearing.
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Old December 23, 2011, 10:27 PM   #22
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Too much is subjective. My 686 hits pretty hard with magnum loads, but there's minimal muzzle flip (was just shooting tonight, in fact). That's not to say there's no recoil, because there is, especially with the 125gr rounds. Makes my hand hurt after 50 rounds or so
I would still carry it, especially as a truck or trail gun. Over penetration could easily be an issue with a hot magnum round.. the sheer size of the thing might do more for you if it had to come out, though. Might not even need to fire it.

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Old December 23, 2011, 10:31 PM   #23
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Recoil is subjective. What you think is a lot might not be much to me. The S&W M28 6" will recoil less with any given load than all medium and small frame .357s.

What you will get is bark and flash. Seriously loud, and fired indoors, without hearing protection, you will suffer temporary hearing loss and likely some slight permanent damage (if you only fire a round or two).

Recoil from the .357 is greater than that from the .45ACP. The .357 has much more energy, and it is energy that produces recoil. I don't know, (nor care) what a Glock 30 is.

My handloads launch the 125gr from my 6" M28 (with rubber grips) at a measured 1620fps, and is too hot for a medium frame revolver.

For self defense, use a .38 Special +p. The load is effective, and recoil in the heavy M28 is very light, allowing accurate rapid fire. And, while it will be loud if you have to use it inside, it won't destroy your ears the way hot .357s can do.
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Old December 23, 2011, 10:38 PM   #24
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I carried a M28 as my first real duty gun, used it in my first shooting. They are easily controllable. To be honest with you in 34+ years of Law Enforcement I never had first hand knowledge of a round passing through a bad guy to hit someone else. It might happen but not that I know of?
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Old December 23, 2011, 10:53 PM   #25
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A while back, I was at the range shooting next to my buddy with his Kimber .45. I was shooting my 19-3 2.5 inch snubbie with medium .357 loads.

Every time I took a shot, we both could feel the airs shock wave blast.
It was WAY louder and more sonic than his .45.
.45 ACP is only going out around 900 fps.
.357 is more like 1200 to 1400 with the medium rounds.

Recoil wise, the .45 ACP is more of a push out of a semi. The revolver is going to transmit the shock way more than any semi auto.
Followup, I shot my 10mm Glock 20 with some double tap rated around 600 ft lbs muzzle energy and they felt mild compared to a .357 medium load in my 2.5 inch snubbie.

But you can get used to it, and learn to work with the recoil. I like the recoil, but don't like the harsh sound if used in SD.
Even the .44 mag seems more like a boom than the .357!
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