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Old December 22, 2011, 07:50 PM   #1
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Three More Wins for Gun Owners

Thursday, December 22, 2011

H.R. 2055—the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2012—has been passed by the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate and has been sent to the President for his expected signature. This bill contains three NRA-backed provisions that will strengthen our Second Amendment rights and prohibit your federal tax dollars from being used to advance an anti-gun agenda.

Stopping Your Tax Dollars From Funding Anti-Gun Studies

No Tax Dollars to Lobby and Promote Gun Control

Protecting Historic Firearms and Spent Brass Casings from Destruction

Full story and details at:
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=7211
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Old December 22, 2011, 09:44 PM   #2
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A big thumbs up to the NRA.
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Old December 22, 2011, 10:09 PM   #3
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Amen. I hope this will help quiet some of the anti-NRA grumbling.
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Old December 22, 2011, 10:44 PM   #4
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I keep thinking that now that Illinois is the only state thay denies it's citizens any form of carry, that the full force of the NRA and all it's resources will descend upon our state and focus all their polictical might like a laser...

But it hasn't happened...

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Old December 23, 2011, 09:01 AM   #5
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I keep thinking that now that Illinois is the only state thay denies it's citizens any form of carry, that the full force of the NRA and all it's resources will descend upon our state and focus all their polictical might like a laser...

But it hasn't happened...
Actually, it has happened/is happening... all of the various Chicago cases regarding firearms are all laying the groundwork for that type of challenge. However, the NRA, being the NRA, is just moving slowly and cautiously and the opposition is doing their best to delay and draw it out hoping for a change in the higher court.
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Old December 23, 2011, 09:55 AM   #6
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Good for them. One thing - it mentions the option to buy M-14s. These are fully auto - can they be converted to semi? Or what?

Just renewed for three years - I need to add to my collection of NRA knives.
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Old December 23, 2011, 10:33 AM   #7
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Good for the NRA. I'm glad that I renewed my memberhship.
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Old December 23, 2011, 10:38 AM   #8
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Good for them. One thing - it mentions the option to buy M-14s. These are fully auto - can they be converted to semi? Or what?
We had non-full auto versions in the Navy.
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Old December 23, 2011, 10:45 AM   #9
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Just wondering - if the M-14s can be converted such that they cannot be easily turned back into full auto?

Seems that might be a snag in sales.

Of course, we could send them to Mexico: Merry X-Mas from the AG.

Snide remark on my part.
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Old December 23, 2011, 10:52 AM   #10
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Just wondering - if the M-14s can be converted such that they cannot be easily turned back into full auto?
I believe they can, and there were, as mentioned, a large number of the semi-only version produced. The only thing blocking their DCM sales was ATF's ruling, "Once a Machine Gun, Always a Machine Gun."
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Old December 23, 2011, 01:23 PM   #11
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All M14s were select fire...

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Just wondering - if the M-14s can be converted such that they cannot be easily turned back into full auto?

I believe they can, and there were, as mentioned, a large number of the semi-only version produced. The only thing blocking their DCM sales was ATF's ruling, "Once a Machine Gun, Always a Machine Gun."
There were no semi auto only M14s produced or adopted in govt service. All M14s were select fire. What the govt did, when they realized that the M14 in select fire configuration was not a good idea for general issue to all troops was, to replace the selector lever with a round knob that did not have the cam to move the full auto parts into engagement. They called this part the "selector lock".

With the exception of the activating lever (replaced by the lock) all the full auto parts were retained in the weapon. This meant that driving out a pin, replacing the lock with the lever and putting the pin back in returned the gun to select fire capability.

The lever mounts on a stud near the rear of the receiver. Receivers with the stud for mounting the selector lever are select fire capable, and are machine guns under the law. And as far as I know, all GI M14 receivers have the stud.

The stud can be cut off, rendering the gun semi auto only (even if the rest of the full auto parts -minus the selector lever- are there. And it cannot be returned to select fire capability unless another mounting stud is welded to the receiver, which is not a simple process and can ruin the gun unless done perfectly.

The BATF's rule that "once a machinegun, always a machine gun" is why there have never been any GI M14s for sale to the public. Cut off the stud and take out the rest of the FA parts, its still legally a machine gun, so no sale to civilians, period.

Springfield Armory (and later, other companies) began by selling semi auto M14s (the M1A is Springfield's name for thiers) made from GI parts, with new made civilian semi auto only receivers. All the early guns are made from GI surplus parts, except the receiver. As time passed, the supply of available GI surplus parts was depleted, and today nearly all parts are new made to the original specs.
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I keep thinking that now that Illinois is the only state thay denies it's citizens any form of carry, that the full force of the NRA and all it's resources will descend upon our state and focus all their polictical might like a laser...
What about Hawaii?
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Old December 23, 2011, 01:51 PM   #13
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What about Hawaii?
According to handgunlaw.us, Hawaii is extremely restrictive but is considered a "may issue" state. Permits are only good for 1 year and in the county of residence, and they don't recognize any other state's permits.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/hawaii.pdf
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Old December 23, 2011, 02:24 PM   #14
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I'm glad this victory has been won.

Why? So that the lobbyists can turn their full attention here to California, where the gun laws need so much help it will take decades to fix them!
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Old December 23, 2011, 11:27 PM   #15
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The President's not happy. From his statement:

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Additional provisions in this bill, including section 8013 of Division A and section 218 of Division F, purport to restrict the use of funds to advance certain legislative positions. I have advised the Congress that I will not construe these provisions as preventing me from fulfilling my constitutional responsibility to recommend to the Congress's consideration such measures as I shall judge necessary and expedient.
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Old December 24, 2011, 02:23 AM   #16
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^ The average person has no idea what the president is saying here.

What is he saying?

Is he saying that even though no money can be spent on skewed anti-gun studies, he's going to recomend anti-gun legislation anyway ?
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Old December 24, 2011, 11:27 AM   #17
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What do I know but I think it means that he won't tell departments that he has excutive control over to take actions.

So, don't destroy the 1911s. But I order that you do not sell them.

But I ain't no poly sci type.
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Old December 24, 2011, 12:50 PM   #18
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What do I know but I think it means that he won't tell departments that he has executive control over to take actions
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...and since he's soooo fond of HA-Ha-Ha-Hawaii, don't look for gun laws to loosen up there. After all, when he vacations there, he doesn't have to worry about the bad guys getting next to him. His SS army worries about that for him.

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Old January 2, 2012, 01:07 AM   #19
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It is a good effort.

The congress also needs to look into the National Safety Council's, the council recieves federal funding, compilation of Accident Facts.

A number of years back while I was reviewing the publication, I reviewed the stats on accidental death in AR. I noticed a name which seemed familiar. It was a teenager who attempted to rob a liquor store with a broken TEC 9. Unfortunately, for the punk, a Floating poker game for off duty Cops was in progress in the back room. They shot the robber dead when he pointed the gun at them.

I challenged the NSC on this. They never responded.

I wonder how many teenaged robbers were included as accidents and in turn used to justify the NSCs antigun stance.
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Old January 2, 2012, 12:34 PM   #20
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I challenged the NSC on this. They never responded.

I wonder how many teenaged robbers were included as accidents and in turn used to justify the NSCs antigun stance.
But it WAS an accident.

The kid accidentally chose the wrong liquor shop to rob.
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Old January 2, 2012, 02:59 PM   #21
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Years ago, thanks to a "defector" it became common knowledge that Handgun Contol Inc was using anyone shot and killed under the age of 25 as their "death of a child due to a handgun" statistic.

This included suicides, murders, accidents, gang shootings, defensive shootings, people the police shot in the line of duty, anyone under 25 shot and killed in the US (with anything!) went into their database for that statistic.

Why should we expect anyone else with a similar agenda to be any more accurate (even if they do get govt funds)?

And even if its not the official policy of the agency to be anti gun, how do you know the people compiling the statistics don't have agenda's of their own?

Not many folks will, or can, check the "facts" touted by "reputable" organizations, those on our side, included...
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Old January 3, 2012, 07:04 AM   #22
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Glenn,

Perhaps you're looking for something like this:

http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...m_id=100000377
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Old January 3, 2012, 08:05 AM   #23
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I translate it as he reserves the right to use federal money to pay white house staffers to write up antigun bills and submit them to the congress, even though the Act bans the use of tax dollars to lobby & promote gun control. He could also do so in person as the paid chief executive if used the State of the Union address to do so. This is probably a legitimate position if you set aside the fact that gun control is uncostitutional.
It will be interesting to see if he stretches it to paying CDC to do antigun research for the executive office.
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Old January 4, 2012, 03:34 AM   #24
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Move faster NRA to get Illinois on board with the rest of the Nation. The state is going broke and should not have money to fight these.
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