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Old December 22, 2011, 01:20 PM   #1
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Kirst backplate permanent?

Can a Kirst backplate become permanent on an 1858 Rem.? If so, is there a thread describing the process?
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Old December 23, 2011, 11:44 AM   #2
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I am interested to see what you received in the way of answers. I have acouple of black powder revolvers that I am considering the addition of a Kirst, or one of the other similar units.
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Old December 23, 2011, 12:47 PM   #3
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Semi permanent. From what I understand the recoil shield is drilled and tapped.
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Old December 23, 2011, 07:02 PM   #4
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I am the Kirst installer.......
The Kirst is a drop in (nothing is drilled and tapped as suggested in the above reply).

You could drill and tap the frame and sountersink a corresponding hole in the Converter ring in the same place that Remington and the various armoury's did in their conversion process (although in the three types done then the plate, which was very thin compared to the Kirst ring, was also dovetailed into the recoil shield). Dovetailing the Kirst is not an option as it is already smaller than the frame window. This whole process is problematic as you have to clear the side of the frame and should also screw the barrel out for access.

Kirst/Strite has made a run of parts to do "thin plate" conversions and they have to be done in house but if this interests you let me know!

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Old December 23, 2011, 08:14 PM   #5
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Not the first time I've been wrong. Somebody was selling one awhile back that was installed with screws is where I got it from.
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Old December 23, 2011, 08:45 PM   #6
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I did not mean to make you out to be "wrong" only that the Kirst is not attached that way (although R&D does market a "screw" in Colt version).

I remember seeing that thread about, I believe, a "semi permanent" Kirst for sale also.

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Old December 23, 2011, 09:19 PM   #7
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Well I was wrong.
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Old December 23, 2011, 10:40 PM   #8
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Well yer all RIGHT in my book
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Old December 24, 2011, 02:02 AM   #9
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You're alright in mine too HH, even tho we do seem to be at odds at times. Personality clash I guess.
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Old December 24, 2011, 08:56 AM   #10
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The Kirst backing plate/loading gate is a slide-in fit, a quite snug, well fitting plate. The cylinder sets in front all held in line by the barrel and wedge. The purpose of attaching the backing plate with screws escapes me. It seems a solution for no problem. After all, cutting the loading channel removes a lot of the recoil shield. Drilling and tapping what metal is left doesn't seem too wise. IMHO.....
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Old December 25, 2011, 01:55 PM   #11
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Wrong revolver

The Kirst backing plate/loading gate is a slide-in fit, a quite snug, well fitting plate. The cylinder sets in front all held in line by the barrel and wedge. The purpose of attaching the backing plate with screws escapes me. It seems a solution for no problem. After all, cutting the loading channel removes a lot of the recoil shield. Drilling and tapping what metal is left doesn't seem too wise. IMHO.....
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Old December 25, 2011, 07:53 PM   #12
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After all, cutting the loading channel removes a lot of the recoil shield. Drilling and tapping what metal is left doesn't seem too wise. IMHO.....

Yes well, no.......Colt ported the recoil shield in all of their conversions as well as also milling the face back on the Richards type 1.
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Old December 26, 2011, 06:37 AM   #13
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