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Old December 13, 2011, 10:35 PM   #1
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Best 9MM for target shooting $500 - $600 range

I know there have been alot of threads regarding this subject but since there is a gun show coming up this weekend I would like some suggestions.

Preface.

1. All steel to lessen recoil for more time shooting.
2. Have a G19 and G17 and a Sig P228

So that's the bottom line. I like target shooting but I would like to find a gun that would improve my accuracy. I now can group at around 4 inches at 7 yards but get tired easily with the glocks. The 228 is a fine shooter but is very big in my hand so maybe a single stack would be better. Will stick with 9MM for cost reasons. Tried a 1911 style grip and it hurt my hand.

All suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks and have a great Holiday.
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Old December 13, 2011, 10:39 PM   #2
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If you are willing to buy used then look for a BHP in 9mm.

A CZ 75B is also a solid choice if it fits your hand.
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Old December 13, 2011, 10:42 PM   #3
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Glock 17L

If I didn't have to do an FFL transfer it would have cost $600 - but then you have to spend some extra money to get a trigger kit in them because the stock Glock trigger is so crummy. A better trigger is maybe 40 bucks.

The slide and barrel are way out there in front - there's almost no recoil from this gun believe me. It's really a soft shooting gun because of the long slide.

I will say this though, what really improved my being able to consistently fire well at the range for longer periods of time - was exercise.

I built up muscle in my forearms and shoulders, strengthened my fingers and improved my grip, and I just have better stamina now. I go for longer periods of time without getting muscle tremors.

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Old December 13, 2011, 10:44 PM   #4
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Not quite in all of your criteria because of the alloy frame, but still very comfortable to shoot: Beretta 92fs/M9
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Old December 13, 2011, 10:48 PM   #5
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Thanks all. I have tried a BHP and a XD 5.25 but the P228 was still a better shooter in the end. Seems I can't get comfortable with a 1911 style grip.
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Old December 13, 2011, 10:51 PM   #6
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Go back and try it again. IMHO there is no better target 9mm than a 1911. What about it did not fit?

I also second the Beretta 92Fs if it fits.
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Old December 13, 2011, 10:53 PM   #7
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The Beretta 92 and the Glock 17L are almost the same size BTW.

People don't think of the guns being in the same league because Glock puts the "L" at the end of the 17L but the Beretta 92FS OAL is 8.5" and the Glock 17L OAL is 8.85" that's like a third of an inch difference.
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Old December 13, 2011, 10:56 PM   #8
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The other thing that really improved my accuracy was lots of dry-fire practice.
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Old December 13, 2011, 10:57 PM   #9
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I did a subjective test by renting a XD 5.25 and my local FFL lent me his BHP. Both of these guns had my wrist hurting after 200 rounds through each but amazingly the P228 still shot better even when I was hurting. I don't know what the answer is but the first two were not comfortable for me. Now it might be that I have not held a 1911 style gun before other than my P238 for EDC. My groups are not bad just would like to get better.
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:04 PM   #10
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I did a subjective test by renting a XD 5.25 and my local FFL lent me his BHP. Both of these guns had my wrist hurting after 200 rounds through each but amazingly the P228 still shot better even when I was hurting. I don't know what the answer is but the first two were not comfortable for me. Now it might be that I have not held a 1911 style gun before other than my P238 for EDC. My groups are not bad just would like to get better.
If you understand that it is "subjective" then why are you asking people on the internet for suggestions. How can we answers a subjective question?

What does you grip look like?
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:07 PM   #11
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The Beretta 92 and the Glock 17L are almost the same size BTW.

People don't think of the guns being in the same league because Glock puts the "L" at the end of the 17L but the Beretta 92FS OAL is 8.5" and the Glock 17L OAL is 8.85" that's like a third of an inch difference
What does it matter in real world terms... 99% of the time is the Indian not the arrow. Every gun in the stable is more accurate than I am....
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:15 PM   #12
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Since you really like your P228 and it is an outstanding pistol already you might look into getting the SIG E2 grip kit for it. Try a SIG such as a P229 with the E2 grips at your gun store to see how it feels in your hand.

Here is what a P229 looks like with the E2 grips.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p229.aspx
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:18 PM   #13
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@WVsig ... My "subjective" test only involve a couple of guns. You then are telling me that there are no other non 1911 guns that may suit my needs. If that is so then you are correct that the internet or these forums would not be of any help to me.
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:20 PM   #14
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@sigarms228
Great suggestion... Thanks... At least I now have an option.
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:33 PM   #15
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What does you grip look like?
+1. The comment about your wrist hurting got my attention. A modern, well-designed, full-size automatic- which describes every gun discussed in this thread so far- should not hurt you when you shoot it.

At the risk of thread drift, have you considered a .22 automatic target pistol or a used 6" .38/.357 revolver?

The former are inexpensive to buy, really inexpensive to shoot, really accurate, and will teach you everything you need to know about shooting well without inducing a flinch. The latter are more accurate than any 9mm automatic in the price range of the pistols that have been discussed.
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:35 PM   #16
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Bimmerland its gonna be tough to best that p228 at that price range. Bear with me, different perspective. Can you shoot the same group, ie 4 inches at 25 yards? If not, then the next route is to modify sights and try match 9mm ammo, and more practice. All your current guns will shoot 4in or better at 25yds.

If you do not like the thickness of the p228, I would recommend the p225
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:37 PM   #17
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My first gun was a Ruger MarkII with a 5.5 inch bull barrel so I am used to a heavy gun. I have some suggestions regarding looking at a P226 as a replacement for my G17 and G19. I don't mind the additional weight of the gun since it will help in follow up shots by reduced recoil. I also thought of a compensated barrel for my glocks as another option.
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:40 PM   #18
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:42 PM   #19
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@Txflyfish.. OK here is how it goes... G19 shooting a 6 inch round target at 7 yards. Out of 180 rounds 12 were outside of the circle with the precentage being within a 4 inch area in the circle. I can do a little better with the 228 versus the glock and I think that is due to the additional weight of the 228. I will look at the 225/P6 as another option. Thanks
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:47 PM   #20
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@CWKahrFan - Nice gun but isn't is similar to a BHP or is the grip at a greater angle? Thanks for the link.
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:47 PM   #21
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Bimmerland glock trigger is very different than the sig triggers. I have the same guns but with glocks you got to focus on that "stop" before you pull it. The p228 once in SA mode is very clean, light, and crisp. That might be a good cause of accuracy discrepancy


The CZ75 grip is A LOT more ergonomic and less blocky than the BHP
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:49 PM   #22
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@Txflyfish... Thanks... Right in my price range...
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:54 PM   #23
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Your P228 is plenty accurate. Maybe with a smaller grip and some practice you will start getting better.

Your stance, grip, and trigger control are all very important in how well you can shoot and how you manage recoil. If you want I can provide some links to videos that you may find of help.

I shot this at 25 feet offhand with my P228 fist time I ever shot it - 26 shots with Winchester White Box Walmart ammo. I have since adjusted the rear sight however that was visibly off after I checked it later in the day.

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Old December 13, 2011, 11:57 PM   #24
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Just as heads up as I also own a CZ, their DA/SA trigger is a bit unrefined/gritty and might need couple hundred rounds of break in. You will however gain a slightly slimmer and ergonomic grip and increased sight radius with the CZ
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Old December 13, 2011, 11:57 PM   #25
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@sigarms228 .. Sweet !!!!! Maybe more 228 range time I guess...
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