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Old April 23, 2014, 06:29 AM   #1
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an interesting test with my CCW...

yesterday, I happened to be carrying my Taurus TCP .380 ( I have 4-5 different guns that work the "rotation" )

MRS hasn't been feeling well lately, leaving me to do chores when I get home from work ( we have just a couple pigs, hens, the outside dog, & some farm cats )

I had just finished picking eggs ( MRS always gives me grief for not putting them in a basket, & just carrying them up to the house in my hands ) in my defense, if there are only 3-4 I carry them, if more, I use the basket...

as I was leaving the chicken house, with my left hand holding 3 eggs, outside dogie was barking up a storm, the "hey poppa I got a wild animal trapped over here" bark ( he's great at treeing coons, chasing rabbits, etc. ) so I divert my path from the chicken house over to the windbreak... where I find dogie digging frantically on a small tire pile I have as a 4 wheeler obstacle on the trail through the windbreak... I'm assuming it's a rabbit, which if that's the case I usually leave it alone, but peeking out of a couple tires deep, is a very large coon... so, with eggs still in hand, I pull a couple tires off, allowing better access to the coon, draw my .380 ( I prefer to use my 17 Mach 2 rifle, but the .380 is what I had ) I have to rack the slide ( I don't carry with one in the chamber ) pull the dog back a bit off the coon, & shoot the darned thing, before the dog jumps back on it ( again, all the while holding 3 raw eggs in one hand )

yes I was able to accomplish this... so I learned a couple things... I could easily cycle a round, & fire the TCP, if one hand were wounded... the lil gun was way past time for a detail cleaning ( I carry in a belt holster, but it's amazing how much lint can accumulate in a short time ) the gun functioned perfectly for a double tap into the coon...

BTW... was using Speer Gold Dot factory rounds, & they had no trouble effectively killing the coon ( you may be surprised how tough they can be to kill some larger varmints quickly with a handgun, especially after being all worked up, battling the dog )

I don't think I could have chambered a round in my 10 mm, without putting the eggs down, & might have had a more difficult time with my compact 9

sometime try chambering a round in your favorite CCW with 3 raw eggs in one of your hands
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Old April 23, 2014, 01:02 PM   #2
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I think I'll skip the egg test - I carry Condition 2 mostly, loaded chamber, hammer decocked. Good shooting.
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Old April 23, 2014, 02:31 PM   #3
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I hear and read the statement about not carrying a round chambered a lot.
I am not wanting to start a fight here, and I personally don't care if someone doesn't carry one in the chamber, or carry a gun at all. But I do have to ask;
Why not?

If a semi-auto can't be trusted to be safe with one in the chamber I would not want to even own it.
Most revolvers are carried fully loaded (unless we are talking about some of the models of the late 1800s)
Rifles are carried that way.
Shotguns are carried that way.

I do understand that fact that if you accidently pull the trigger an auto may fire. So will a revolver, a rifle or a shot gun.
If it would not------ it's broken.
Safe gun handeling demands we don't put our finger on the trigger until the sights are on the target. So if we don't pull the trigger we have no worries....right?

So I am just curious as to the reasoning.

As a gunsmith I can tell you I understand the inner working of most guns as well or better than most shooters and if the design and model is a good one I can't see any logical reason to not load the chamber for carry, but maybe there is a reason I am unaware of.

Enlighten me please.
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Old April 23, 2014, 02:37 PM   #4
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this gun doesn't have a safety, I'm like most CCW carriers, I carry often, & hope to never have to shoot... I'm sure accidental discharges are 1000 times more likely, with a round in the chamber... ( & I obviously don't worry about this on my revolvers ) this is a compact little gun, what if it fell from my holster & I didn't know it ( like rollerblading, for example, which I once lost my cell phone ) BTW... I'm not a very good rollerblader... been know to fall ( stupid old guy took up rollerblading for the 1st time when I turned 50 )... nothing is totally "fool proof" my cell phone was in a purchased strapped nylon belt holster, & it popped open... if the gun got picked up by a kid who figured it was a toy, since it's so small, it's much safer in the condition I carry it... the TCP has the lightest trigger pull of any of the 380's I tested before buying one, easily pulled by a child... by carrying this way, I pretty much eliminate any chance of an accidental discharge, by myself, or anyone else...

I practice drawing & racking the slide in one fluid motion ( although this was the 1st time I tried it with 3 raw eggs in one hand, & while I couldn't do it in one motion, it was still surprisingly fast, even with the eggs
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Old April 23, 2014, 11:08 PM   #5
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thats the first time I have ever heard that explanation. pretty good point
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Old April 24, 2014, 12:06 AM   #6
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Drawing, racking round while rolling along on roller blades..... WOW! Do you also practice shooting from roller blades?
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Old April 24, 2014, 06:15 AM   #7
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Drawing, racking round while rolling along on roller blades..... WOW! Do you also practice shooting from roller blades?
I'm sorry if you got the impression that practice drawing & racking while on rollerblades... I'm honestly not good enough to do that... if I had to use my gun while on rollerblades, I think I'd go to the ground, taking cover ( behind a tree, or ??? ) & shoot from a kneeling position

nope... never tried to shoot while on skates... I could pretty much bet I'd be on my back in a fraction of a second...

BTW... it's not like I rollerblade my life away, I live on MRS. family century farm, I'm always rebuilding something, carrying heavy items, stuff where the gun gets sweaty, banged against stuff, ripped from it's holster on occasion... this is why I bought the TCP in the 1st place... if I'm not doing very physical & abusive work, I have any number of guns I can carry ( & I usually prefer a revolver ) but the TCP is pretty resistant to sweat, small & thin, & most of all cheap, yet reliable... if I broke one of my antique revolvers ( which I'm also partial to carrying ) I'd feel bad... the TCP was cheap, & can be easily replaced... I feel that maybe 40% of the time I carry that gun I'm doing something physical enough, that it could get ripped from the holster... in that case, having an empty chamber I feel is much safer, since tactikooly you want to develop muscle memory, I always carry it that way, & rack the slide as I draw...

for those that feel the gun is worthless without a cartridge in the chamber, I suppose you leave your gun in the car, when you attend a gun show??? not me, the little plastic tie they put on the gun, is easily broken, & a full magazine is in my pocket... & you know what... I know how to rack the slide
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Old April 28, 2014, 12:53 PM   #8
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Just out of curiosity, how did you rack the slide with one hand? Did you hook the rear sight on your belt or something? Or is there a different one-handed technique I'm not aware of?
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Old April 28, 2014, 01:23 PM   #9
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the TCP doesn't have much of a rear right, very slightly raised, & at such a steep angle to keep it from snagging on anything... it also doesn't have a real strong slide spring... I still used my off hand, I was able to grasp it with my thumb & ring finger with 3 eggs in my hand... without dropping or crushing an egg... I think I could use just my palm sideways using friction on the slide serrations, but admit I didn't try... I doubt I could do the same with either my Compact CZ-75, or my full sized Witness 10mm
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Old April 28, 2014, 03:40 PM   #10
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While I wouldn't do it the way you do it, your way obviously works.


And having killed two sick racoons (one was 2x.380, the other 2x9MM) I agree; they're tough little critters.

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Old April 28, 2014, 06:33 PM   #11
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The only CZ pistol that was ever designed for one hand slide racking was the late and unlamented CZ-100. It had a raised portion halfway down the slide for exactly that, another aspect of the incredibly weird design that it was.
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