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Old December 9, 2011, 05:39 PM   #1
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Need help in finding out true value of older rifle's

A friend has asked me to help find an appraiser for a rifle collection, numerous older pieces, trap-doors, rolling blocks double rifles, japanese world war 2 rifles, etc.
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Old December 9, 2011, 09:13 PM   #2
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THR used to have a contact for an appraiser but I cannot now find it.
There are several sources googleable but I don't know any of them personally.

What is the end purpose?
Insurance
Sale
Divison of an estate
Bragging rights
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Old December 9, 2011, 10:19 PM   #3
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It depends on what kind of valuation you are looking for.

If, for example, you want an "insurable value," then you will need to contact an approved professional appraiser.

If, on the other hand, you are looking for real world values, then your best bet is to go on Gunbroker.com and look at the prices obtained on SOLD items, rather than items with high prices that have no bids. The old adage of "what the market will bear" is well applied here; Those prices are generally a good weather vane of relative "value."
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Old December 10, 2011, 08:10 AM   #4
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No bragging rights really, he wants to get an honest opinion of value to sale the collection, it's for his retirement.
heres some pics fellas,,,,,,, this just the tip of the iceburg, many others to follow maybe some world war I and II rifles as well as earlier models plus swords from civil war.
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Old December 10, 2011, 11:25 AM   #5
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The "dualing pistol" is a Stevens design single shot .22. The white grips indicate it is likely not a real antique Stevens but the inexpensive Hy Score reproduction of the 1960s.

The "double rifle" looks at that angle like a common percussion double shotgun with a sight added to the right barrel for the purpose of shooting a "punkin ball" out of one side and buckshot from the other.

I don't know or care anything about Nazi memorabilia except as trophies from a defeated vile enemy. There are people who will collect about anything, and pay a good price for it. Unfortunately there are enough of them that there are a lot of fakes in circulation. It will take expert examination to tell.

Sorry, I don't see much of a retirement fund here. Hope the rest is nicer.
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Old December 10, 2011, 06:05 PM   #6
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I too, see a 60's-70's clone of the 1890's Stevens target pistol, worth about $75 today.

If the hammer double has "ELG" marks stamped into the metal somewhere, like hidden under the barrels, it's an inexpensive Belgium gun, made for export, with market-enhancement marks on it ( "Birmingham" ?)

In the same pic, I also think I espy two modern stainless/synthetic inline muzzleloaders, worth about $100 each.

Here's a reference, so you can compare your daggers with proven Nazi daggers: http://www.2-clicks-swords.com/artic...n-daggers.html

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Old December 10, 2011, 07:52 PM   #7
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I "think" the Nazi dagger with the white handle is a Luftwaffe (Air force) model.
The trouble with Nazi daggers is that thousands were assembled after the war from parts and there have been untold numbers of outright fakes made.
These need to be examined by an expert.

The "knife" on the left is a US Model 1917/1918 Trench knife.
These were made for the trench warfare in WWI. There were several versions, all very similar and made by several makers, including Landers, Frary, & Clark, Henry Diston & Sons,and Onida Community Limited.
The makers mark will be on the front of the guard.

The green leather scabbard was made by the Jewel Belt Company.
These knives were replaced by the US Mark One trench knife with a bronze knuckle handle, and were sold as surplus in the 1920's.

These sell fairly often on Ebay and the gun auctions. Value is higher with the original scabbard, usually for around $300 to $500 or so.
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Old December 15, 2011, 07:24 AM   #8
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The "dualing pistol" is a Stevens design single shot .22. The white grips indicate it is likely not a real antique Stevens but the inexpensive Hy Score reproduction of the 1960s.

Jim, did you mean "Hy Score" or "Hy Hunter?" I think it was Hy Hunter that sold those in the 60s.
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Old December 15, 2011, 12:31 PM   #9
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You're right, it was Hy Hunter.

I am currently dependent on memory since my reference library burned up.
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Old December 20, 2011, 12:08 PM   #10
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HyHunter adv magazine

If you need a page or two from an original HyHunter "magazine" 30 page brochure on your revolver, give me a heads up....I have one from the time when Roy Weatherby was the distributor. Shows all models and prices.
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Old December 20, 2011, 07:32 PM   #11
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I think we've scared him off.
None of his first batch were anything special or valuable and he is afraid to show the rest.
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Old December 22, 2011, 07:26 PM   #12
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No Jim that's not the case, actually he's in Cali, showing some of the older stuff to a gun collector, and he's not been able to send more pics to me.
I'm hoping that over the holiday weekend he'll be home, and we'll get more pics..
I can't wait either, it's killing me!!
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Old December 25, 2011, 09:30 AM   #13
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some pics

Here's some pics finally...
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Old December 25, 2011, 09:46 AM   #14
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and some more,,,,,, wife says stop for today,,,,
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Old December 25, 2011, 11:59 AM   #15
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OK, we've got an 1884 Trapdoor Springfield in GI configuration and nice condition. I'm not much on Internet Price Is Right but let's say high hundreds to low teens.

Next is some sort of Remington, no overall picture but apparently a Rolling Block. Can't read the barrel inscription. They sold those things to about everybody's army and value depends a lot on where it went and in what caliber, otherwise condition counts. It still retains the bayonet lug and bayonet, that is a sign that it is in original configuration which is a plus.

Ah Ha! I can read the tang inscription and it has a 1901 patent date.
The hole in the muzzle looks smaller than the usual .43 whatever.
It is most likely a 7mm model of 1902. Probably surplus from some Latin American country.


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Old December 25, 2011, 12:18 PM   #16
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snuck these in here while she's visiting at the neighbor's!
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Old December 25, 2011, 12:25 PM   #17
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Old December 25, 2011, 11:40 PM   #18
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Christmas night specials include an M1 Carbine with late or post WWII upgrades like adjustable sight and bayonet lug. Maker's mark (under rear of rear sight) not visible. I'm guessing but around $600.

German P38s, one WW II issue, make and date not visible in angled photo; one post war P1. The wartime gun might be worth $500, the postwar $300, based on prices at AIM.

The rifle looks like what was known as a Winchester Model 70 National Match, the standard weight barrel in their Marksman target stock; with peep rear and globe front sights. I don't think I have ever seen one outside the catalogs. Which may not make it real valuable, the bloom seems to be off the pre-64 Winchesters.
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