The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Dave McCracken Memorial Shotgun Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old November 22, 2011, 10:46 PM   #26
huntinaz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 21, 2010
Location: az
Posts: 996
I use it for coyotes and it does a great job out to 40 yards. I will guarantee you it will absolutely smoke somebody inside of ten yards. And, it's on sale at Cabela's right now. Free shipping on orders of $100 or more. Good stuff:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat104567580
__________________
"Once you quit hearing sir and ma'am, the rest is soon to follow." - Cormack McCarthy
"Feed me, or feed me to something. I just want to be part of the food chain." -Al Bundy
huntinaz is offline  
Old November 24, 2011, 03:17 PM   #27
Gehrhard
Junior member
 
Join Date: July 15, 2009
Location: East of the Missississippippi
Posts: 675
Swan shot, like #2 (.15) and BB (.18, which cannot be had in lead anymore), including in the duplex rounds, especially BB and especially where overpenetration may be a concern, may be ideal for HD at indoors ranges. I'm talking up to 15 yards, at 15 meters, etc...

#4 Buckshot starts to suggest longer distances and less backstop concern.

#1 Buck and my personal overall favorite when you just don't know what or where you're gonna be, #0 Buck, open the guns capability to its maximum useful range including outdoor HD -- the longer ranges will require heavier pellets to maintain energy and deliver enough energy in multiple hits with decent penetration to perform as required. #00 Buck and #000 Buck are increasingly less effective, respectively, for any HD than the smaller but higher count pellet loads, plain and simple.

Last edited by Gehrhard; November 24, 2011 at 08:55 PM.
Gehrhard is offline  
Old November 24, 2011, 04:20 PM   #28
NYCShooter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 2, 2009
Posts: 103
#1 Buck here, too. Waiting (and hoping) for Federal #1 Buck, FliteControl.
NYCShooter is offline  
Old November 24, 2011, 04:46 PM   #29
scwhitetail
Member
 
Join Date: November 6, 2011
Location: Northern South Carolina
Posts: 43
I've shot #4 buck several times out of a 20 ga, never hunting but just messing around shooting at some trees and stuff, and it will do the job for sure on a 2 legged assailant. I even know someone who had to shoot an intruder and only had some birdshot at his disposal. While it didn't kill the man, it rendered him incapacitated. So yes, #4 buckshot will definitely do the job on an intruder. Ive killed deer with 12ga 00 buck, which is obviously way better if you are anticipating attacks from predators. It will penetrate the thick skin of a bear better, but in a home or apartment it is very likely that 00 buck will penetrate several walls putting children, or other people at risk. I would suggest a round or two of #4 followed by a few rounds of 00 just in case.
scwhitetail is offline  
Old November 26, 2011, 08:47 AM   #30
Gehrhard
Junior member
 
Join Date: July 15, 2009
Location: East of the Missississippippi
Posts: 675
NYC, y Flite Control? A shotgun is supposed to SPREAD! Choose your pattern. Select your choke. Only your attorney, Officer Rambo, and folk who fancy themselves "innovators" taut the things. It is a marketing gimmick, a solution looking for a problem, w/a narrow niche.
Gehrhard is offline  
Old November 26, 2011, 10:23 AM   #31
NYCShooter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 2, 2009
Posts: 103
Gehrhard, at typical HD distances, say 5-7 yds., almost any 12 gauge 00 buck will produce a 2-2 1/2" hole. The FliteControl shell does this, but also enables effective patterning at 30-40 yds., if necessary. The LE 132-00 Tactical Low Recoil, FliteControl, 9 pellet, 00 buck is the best HD shell I have ever used. If the rumors are true and Federal will introduce a #1 buck, 16 pellet version, I'm there.
NYCShooter is offline  
Old November 26, 2011, 10:33 AM   #32
Sport45
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 25, 1999
Location: Too close to Houston
Posts: 4,050
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9ballbilly
I keep slugs, #1 buckshot,and 00 buckshot on hand for home/camp defense in my Rem. 870.
If you already have 00 and #1 buck, I see no reason to buy anything else. I can't imagine needing slugs for home defense. Camp defense for bears maybe, but none of those around my place.
__________________
Proud member of the NRA and Texas State Rifle Association. Registered and active voter.
Sport45 is offline  
Old November 26, 2011, 07:11 PM   #33
Gehrhard
Junior member
 
Join Date: July 15, 2009
Location: East of the Missississippippi
Posts: 675
NYC, an "effective pattern" for a shotgun at 30-40 yards, the standard intended one for any specified distance in fact, is 70% inside a 30" circle obtained, in this case, with an Improved Modified choke (probably: maybe Modified, maybe Full, YMMV). What are you referring to please?

Last edited by Gehrhard; November 26, 2011 at 07:51 PM.
Gehrhard is offline  
Old November 26, 2011, 07:28 PM   #34
NYCShooter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 2, 2009
Posts: 103
5"-6" at 30 yds.; 10"-12" at 40 yds., cylinder bore.
NYCShooter is offline  
Old November 26, 2011, 07:55 PM   #35
Gehrhard
Junior member
 
Join Date: July 15, 2009
Location: East of the Missississippippi
Posts: 675
Yeah. So, that's a terrible shotgun pattern I know you know. Extra Full with small Buck would be in between. But, the good news is you don't need a shotgun anyway. OK. Have you considered the appropriate pistol or, better yet, pistol caliber carbine? You must already have a Longarm Lic. there...
Gehrhard is offline  
Old November 26, 2011, 08:02 PM   #36
NYCShooter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 2, 2009
Posts: 103
The best news would be #1 buck, 16 pellet, FliteControl. As always, YMMV...
NYCShooter is offline  
Old November 27, 2011, 03:58 PM   #37
Stevie-Ray
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 22, 2007
Location: The shores of Lake Huron
Posts: 4,499
I try to have, in order:

1. #1 buck
2. 00 buck
3. #4 buck

Since I have a difficult time finding #1 buck around here, I have quite a bit of 00 and #4 buck on hand. My 930 SPX fires all with equal aplomb.
__________________
Stevie-Ray
Join the NRA/ILA
I am the weapon; my gun is a tool. It's regrettable that with some people those descriptors are reversed.
Stevie-Ray is offline  
Old November 28, 2011, 10:14 PM   #38
White Mamba
Member
 
Join Date: November 15, 2010
Posts: 45
I like #9 shot. It has less recoil & it will turn a human into hamburger meat.
White Mamba is offline  
Old November 29, 2011, 02:24 PM   #39
Dave McC
Staff In Memoriam
 
Join Date: October 13, 1999
Location: Columbia, Md, USA
Posts: 8,812
WM, recoil is a function of mass and velocity, not shot size.

9 shot will work if you're close enough. Unfortunately, "close enough" may be just a few feet.

This has been well covered in the past here. I suggest mining the archives.
Dave McC is offline  
Old November 30, 2011, 04:13 AM   #40
GM2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 31, 2011
Location: Southeast, USA
Posts: 350
I load up my sawed off DB 12 Gauge (in legal lengths) with Winchester #1 Buck with two more loads in a butt stock sleeve.
__________________
Good character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking.

Last edited by GM2; November 30, 2011 at 06:36 AM.
GM2 is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:16 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.10562 seconds with 7 queries