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Old November 16, 2011, 09:43 AM   #26
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For the most part if I felt the place was dangerous enough to justify a dual carry I would avoid the place if possible.

However if for whatever reason I had to go some place that was full of felons, gangbangers or general nuts I would dual carry.

The only places I can see that this might occur are if I had to pass through some protesting group (aka something similar to wall street protesters) or some unstable political group or the entire state of Kalfornia.

I don’t go to bars and night clubs and I dont visit back alleys or any sort of illicit environment. So for the most part I just dont see it happening.
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Old November 16, 2011, 12:15 PM   #27
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I live in WV and when hunting i carry 2 guns,my rifle and my 686 4 inch concealed.Now when i'm fishing and in the boat or at camp i carry 2,one on me and one in my fishing vest most times(both being handguns).

I'll carry strong side and have another in my vest,just in case one gets wet(my fishing vest gun is in a 1 gallon zip lock bag).I couldn't count how many times i've gotten guns wet from rain,sweat,or dew,so i asked around and the zip lock baggy works every time.


Any other time,i carry one in my shoulder holster with 2 spare mags = 46 rounds and my wife carries with 2 spare 13 mags = 40
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Old November 26, 2011, 12:31 AM   #28
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That's a lot of extra weight for a long hike. Is your son old enough to also carry?

I do a lot of hiking and backpacking and I wouldn't want to tote a long-gun just b/c the weight becomes a significant factor over long distances and steep terrain. I'd rather be able to use my trekking poles, which can double as a temporary weapon if necessary.

Personally, I carry a G23 .40 in a Bianchi Universal Military Holster to which I have replaced the flap with a thumb-break snap. The belt-clip fits any of my backpacks. I keep an extra mag in my pack. The bear-spray goes in my right cargo pocket. In most situations, I'm reaching for the spray first.

It's a light, effective defensive load. Either the Glock or the spray can be a backup if needed.

I was bluff-charged by a big boar black bear a few years back. It happened so fast, I don't know if I could have "cleared leather" by the time he was on me. Fortunately he darted up a tree and proceeded to give me a tongue lashing instead of a mauling.
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Old November 26, 2011, 10:16 AM   #29
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I could see carrying a back-up gun if someone works in a profession where they have the responsibility to protect people or confront criminals.

or- if you are hunting and have a handgun as well as a rifle.
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Old November 26, 2011, 12:47 PM   #30
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Afghanistan. You have to assess the risk. More people are killed each year using escalators than are killed bears . But no one thinks twice about using one.
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Old November 26, 2011, 01:14 PM   #31
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More people are killed each year bathing than are killed each year by falling Soviet era space debris also. And yet we continue to live on the planet Earth where we might be blasted to flinders by an old satellite at any moment.

What does this type of logic have to do with carrying or not carrying a backup firearm?
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Old November 26, 2011, 01:51 PM   #32
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For me it is a 44 mag or a 500mag depending on the type of bear I'm concerned about (Black Bear / Grizzle or Brown Bear)
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Old November 26, 2011, 03:24 PM   #33
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More people are killed each year bathing than are killed each year by falling
Soviet era space debris also. And yet we continue to live on the planet Earth where we might be blasted to flinders by an old satellite at any moment.

What does this type of logic have to do with carrying or not carrying a backup firearm.

Its all about probability. The chance of someone shooting at you are very small the chance of your weapon failing is small. Why not tow back a up car behind you in case the one you are driving brakes down .

A lot of soldiers go to war with one gun. Which is i am sure is more dangerous than going to the cinema ect.
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Old November 27, 2011, 04:55 PM   #34
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There's nothing wrong with carrying a long gun and side arm on the field. Live in brown bear country? It is advisable to carry pepper spray, regardless of the number of firearms on or near you, because you can legally spray bears in instances where you could not shoot them.
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Old November 27, 2011, 07:06 PM   #35
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I always load out 2 guns when hiking. When we are in bear country the mix is most often a 45 colt DA revolver and a 45-70 lever gun. If bear is not the likely problem, mix tends to be 1911 and a XM 177-A2 shorty. (I find punks tend to leave us alone with the ugly black rifle hanging from a 2 point patrol sling, and yes I do have to watch sweep very carefully.) I am getting older so don't hike alone any longer so there is always several guns as well as bear spray in the group, we would prefer to turn them rather than shoot them.
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Old November 27, 2011, 09:02 PM   #36
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BGutzman: For the most part if I felt the place was dangerous enough to justify a dual carry I would avoid the place if possible.

However if for whatever reason I had to go some place that was full of felons, gangbangers or general nuts I would dual carry.

The only places I can see that this might occur are if I had to pass through some protesting group (aka something similar to wall street protesters) or some unstable political group or the entire state of Kalfornia.
I hunted a lot when I was younger, and always carried only one gun, usually a 30-30 Rifle. I lived in Oklahoma then in a rural area. Never saw a bear. I live in Texas now, and times have changed. I figure its no safer anywhere else, and at least I can defend myself in Texas. I carry two guns,
partly because I might want to hold my hand on one if someone I do not know or is suspicious walks up to me. The other main one is assuming I have time to draw, and see a threat.

Texas has lots of gangbangers now. They do not disarm when they go to
shopping malls with no gun signs. I can name three of those gangs, that operate, in the cities nearby. Most people I know who have CWP license in Texas, carry at least two guns. I don't know about hunters because I have not hunted in Texas. In vietnam we were issued only one, and mine was the M16. I thought I was through ever carrying a gun back then, but times have changed. Back then at least in the US we did not have gangbangers,
carjackers, homeinvaders, and jihadists. I really don't think anyone who carries more than one gun is paranoid. While in New Mexico one may be limited to one concealed gun, in Texas if one has a permit we can carry as many as we can conceal. If you live in a small town, in Texas and look through the local paper for the jail log, you will find a long list of repeated
felons and criminals, and they manage to get out, and then they are in the paper again. Reading through that alone would convince me to carry two guns.
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Old November 29, 2011, 03:40 AM   #37
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I'm sorry if I inadvertently gave you the impression that I'm some sort of fringe,lunatic,survivalist with my post. It was NOT intended that way. What I said in the OP was that I would carry two firearms on deeper excursions primarily so that if one failed mechanically I would still have a working firearm for SD in case of bears, bad guys, etc.. I also asked about bear spray as I have no experience with it, but would certainly prefer discouraging the animal to shooting it. However, as I stated earlier, my son is often with me during these trips and I make no bones about this: Any potentially lethal threat to him will immediately be answered with deadly force regardless of circumstances or consequences. If you're a parent you'll understand this. I'd also like to add that the places I carry it is legal to do so. I intend to research bear spray, and if it seems viable will add it to my load-out. I will, however, continue to carry two firearms in these situations.

On a side note: I found your opening "war zone" comment to be a bit offensive. Although I will defend your right to speak your mind until my last breath. You, no doubt, have a wider range of backpacking experience than I do and have the absolute right to your opinion. I only ask that you allow me the same curtesy, as I have over thirty years of firearm experience, as well as several as a police officer.

sincerely, Bill
No offense intended, sorry. With all the brouhaha over the current OWS protests and OC spray, I heard one quote in the news stating the the National Parks service recommends OC spray over firearms as being a more potent method of stopping bears. And that would be the civilian concentrations, not LEO / military grade OC. I have not researched the validity of that statement. Unlike my wife, if it had been me tramping around Alaska, I probably would have carried a gun. But I think more because I like guns and I could than any other reason.
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Old November 29, 2011, 09:12 AM   #38
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If I were in 9ball's situation, . . . my most likely carry would be my 1911 with a staggered load of JHP and very hard cast lead for penetration.

Experts can say all they want about how "effective" their favorite bear spray is, . . . I don't know how many of them have an "agenda" behind their rhetoric, . . . my agenda would be to stay alive, . . . not become Smokey's snack, . . . and protect my son.

My personal backup would be a second gun, . . . my Beretta, 7 shot, riot shotgun, . . . If it is loaded to the max with slugs, . . . and IF I can bring it to the fight before I am overwhelmed, . . . then something is going to get hurt very badly. The gun is very light weight for carrying (beats your body bad during any practice though) and is quite maneuverable and dependable in a "situation".

But then again, . . . those are among the choices I have available, . . .

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Old November 30, 2011, 08:00 AM   #39
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"the National Parks service recommends OC spray over firearms"

That's not surprising. I wouldn't expect a governmental regulatory agency to recommend that national park visitors walk around armed, would you?

As far as using OC spray, Keep in mind also that bears frequent mountain country, where windy conditions prevail. Another point is that to use that OC spray, you have to let that bear get pretty dadgum close to you. I suppose it could be OK to carry it, but have something like a 4 inch Ruger SP 100 handy, after firing at least 500 rounds through it for practice.
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Old November 30, 2011, 08:08 AM   #40
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Time for 2?

Always! Two is always better than one for self defense......better to be pulling a fully loaded second then doing a re-load
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Old December 1, 2011, 12:37 PM   #41
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Always! Two is always better than one for self defense......better to be pulling a fully loaded second then doing a re-load
Verdad, thats the same logic I use regarding carrying two handguns, a 44 Spl and a 38 Spl. Since I have neurapathy in my hands I don't want to be fumbling around tryiing reload. As for people who coisider that as maybe
paranoid, I look at them and say if they have a SA instead of a revolver,
what do you need a gun that holds over a dozen rounds. Are they going
to a combat zone or can they hit what they shoot at? Thats because I
take exception to those who think some of us don't really need to carry
a second gun. Most of the time my two revolvers holds less rounds than
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Old December 6, 2011, 09:17 PM   #42
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REALITY

is that unless a bullett hits a large vital organ, or huge artery, stopping the agressor does not occur with one bullet most of the time.

The more rounds on your person the better, the more loaded and ready to go, the more chances for success. Stopping must be achieved in a self defense situation or the loss is of your own life.
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Old December 6, 2011, 09:53 PM   #43
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One thing that has always stuck with me is the tenacity of some to continue after receiving absolutely fatal wounds.

Two years apart, I shot two deer, does, one from about 60 yards, the other at about 130 yards, . . . both with the same weapon, . . . using the same type 240 grain, hollow point, 50 caliber bullet, . . . and both were full heart / lung shots.

During field dressing, the heart on one was shot through and through, on the other, the whole aorta was severed.

Each deer was still capable (and did) of leaping into the air a good 3 feet (whole body) and of running full tilt for about 70 yards.

Had they been humans, . . . and had they expended the same energy with a ball bat in their hands against me, their shooter, . . . I don't believe I would be here to tell the tale.

What I am getting at is simple, . . . even perfect shot placement with a heavy round, . . . won't end the fight, . . . gotta be willing to fight, however, until the "threat" is eliminated, . . . however it is done.

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Old December 6, 2011, 11:42 PM   #44
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What I am getting at is simple, . . . even perfect shot placement with a heavy round, . . . won't end the fight, . . . gotta be willing to fight, however, until the "threat" is eliminated, . . . however it is done.

This is well put. Animals also don't understand that they've been specifically shot, so there is no psychological factor involved.
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Old December 11, 2011, 10:03 PM   #45
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Aside from a cqb scenario...
I carry 2 while hunting. I carry my rem700 as my hunting rifle, and thigh carry my .40 as a defensive/dispatch weapon
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Old December 13, 2011, 08:24 PM   #46
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It's in town that I carry a BUG. Why? From experiences related to me by retired cops who've seen a lot and always carry a spare. I figure if they're parnaoid, they're that way for a reason.
You are not paranoid, if they ARE out to get you!

Chances of a Black Bear in the lower 48 attacking you is so slight, not worth worrying about. People in the bush, now that is another story!

Backup guns do not mean you have to carry them. An extra gun around camp is great for many reasons, failure to the first is only one.
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Old December 14, 2011, 06:36 PM   #47
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2 guns?

If I felt comfortable toting them I would. I'd carry an 870 with slugs as primary though and a .44 as minimum.
I remember hog hunting in Texas left the 4 wheeler and rifle since I had a holstered 9mm and I snuck up on some big ones in a creek bed. Looked at the hogs, looked at the pistol, looked at the hogs, looked at the pistol. Slowly turned and snuck back out. I figured if I'm not target shooting and I have a pistol in my hand its because my primary has gone away.
Good luck and safe hiking with whatever you decide.
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Old December 16, 2011, 11:40 PM   #48
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Old December 19, 2011, 07:03 PM   #49
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Time and place? Here and now. I've carried primary and backup for 8 years now.

Though, in my northern property, that primary goes from .45 ACP to 10mm.
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Old December 19, 2011, 07:12 PM   #50
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