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Old November 8, 2011, 09:52 AM   #1
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Wisconsin receives 20,000 applications for CCW

That's just the first 4 days. Amazing number to me at least.

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=15733

I am not sure how quickly they can issue, but if WDOJ can only issue 1000 a week (unless they get faster) people are going to be waiting 20 weeks to get their CCW.
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Old November 8, 2011, 10:04 AM   #2
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The people have spoken....Illinois will be next, one day soon hopefully.
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Old November 8, 2011, 10:33 AM   #3
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Tee-Hee

That is just nuts, but is really a great sign
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Old November 8, 2011, 11:01 AM   #4
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83,000 DOWNLOAD CCW APPS before 9am

83000 downloaded ccw app before 9am Nov01
website gets over400,000 hits
http://www.postcrescent.com/article/...04&located=rss
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Old November 8, 2011, 01:38 PM   #5
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The people have spoken....Illinois will be next, one day soon hopefully.
I think hell will freeze over and the current administration will be elected for a third term
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Old November 8, 2011, 10:04 PM   #6
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Illinois had republican governors for quite a while. We elected an extremely corrupt governor in George Ryan, and the fallout was that the people elected a democrat the next year - Rod Blagojevich.

There is a very strong possibility that a republican could be elected to the governors office. The state is almost bankrupt. A lot of the cradle to grave socialism / chicken in every pot promises are going unfulfilled. The jobs situation is horrible... It is not a good time to be an incumbant.

We actually have a majority of legislators that support a carry bill. We just don't have the super majority necesary to overide a veto.

That could change with the next election.

I hope that crime rates in Wisconsin plummet. It's more evidence for the argument in Illinois.
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Old November 8, 2011, 10:19 PM   #7
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Hang in there Count, we had the same thing here in WI for years. The legislature would pass CC and the Democratic Gov. Doyle would veto it. Then some legislators would reneg on their original vote in the veto override. If I recall correctly that happened twice.

Then we got a new Governor; the bill was re-introduced, passed and signed.

I'm waiting to see what the actual rules and taining requirements are going to be. Nothing seems decided yet. I'm also interested in seeing which states will give reciprocity.
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Old November 10, 2011, 01:55 PM   #8
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I got lucky and in on the ground floor, my permit number is less than #1600 I was very pleased that it was a easy process and the application took little time to fill out.

Jo6pak, if you took Hunters Safety/Education, just get a duplicate of your Hunters Ed card and send that with the application. Any store that sells a Hunting license can also sell you a duplicate Hunters Ed card. That is what I used because I had the same concerns as you. I didn't know what they would changed. I knew though that Hunters Ed was the one thing they said was a lock solid for getting your training portion approved.
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Old November 10, 2011, 07:13 PM   #9
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Wisconsin DOJ on the ball!

I'm also under #1600 ... downloaded application and mailed it on 11/1 and got my license in the mail today. That's only 8 working days, and when you subtract 1 day at each end for mail time, that's only 6 days! THAT'S FINE WORK!

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Old November 10, 2011, 08:48 PM   #10
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One of the problems in Illinois is even if we do get CC, no one has any idea what the education requirement is going to be. So, you're kind of rolling the dice, paying for some class and hoping it will be accepted.

The big rush in IL probably won't be to submit applications, the big rush will be to enroll in classes.
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Old November 11, 2011, 09:49 AM   #11
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I'm also under #1600 ... downloaded application and mailed it on 11/1 and got my license in the mail today. That's only 8 working days, and when you subtract 1 day at each end for mail time, that's only 6 days! THAT'S FINE WORK!
Jealous!


Are you in the Madison area? I mailed from the Eau Claire area on the 1st and no love in the mail box yet... Pretty sure that my app is under the 50,000 other apps and won't be seen until some time in 2044...
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Old November 11, 2011, 04:37 PM   #12
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Jealous

Cougar gt-e ... I'm not near you ... almost 120 miles from Mad-city, but I would be surprised if you didn't see your license within the next day or two. Truthfully, I hadn't expected to see mine for 30 days MINUMUM! I know you want it bad (don't we all), but given the crush of first day applications, I'm frankly astounded at the speed of processing.

Hang in there ... tomorrow's only a day away.
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Old November 11, 2011, 05:14 PM   #13
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You IL guys: If the court ends up setting the rules you will end up like VT with no permit required. I do hope IL can come up with some reasonable way to carry sooner than through the courts.

What I hear about WI is they are working 7 days a week to try clear the backlog..you know, by law they only have 45 days for this first batch, and after Dec only 30 days...

I'm just wondering how soon they hit 250,000...that would be equivilant to the 340,000+ we have here in WA (Shall Issue, No training required BTW and this has been in effect since 1935, the present law from 1961. Prior to 1935 there was no law as reguards firearms)

Freedom, and not infringed freedom, says there should be no legal requirements, except firearms may be restricted if you are incarcerated in prison or a mental health facility. The nanny does not tell the adult how he/she needs to live,
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Old November 11, 2011, 06:06 PM   #14
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They said 30k applications as of this morning. I haven't sent mine in yet, but I will be.
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Old November 12, 2011, 03:48 PM   #15
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MN Permit

I feel sorry for all the people who are sitting and waiting on applications. However, I applied for my MN permit (MN resident) and it took them the better part of the 30 allotted days to get mine to me. I don't think they're back-logged, just not fans of armed citizens, at least here in Ramsey County (St. Paul).

I was pleased with the new WI law and was more pleased that, travelling to WI on the 2nd of November, I was legally able to carry my weapon because of my MN resident permit. Of course, I'm still trying to figure out how to travel with my gun in Illinois. The best I could figure that someone from out of state could do with a handgun while travelling in or through Illinois is to break it down, lock it up, and keep it out of reach in your vehicle. The Illinois Attorney General's website lists these provisions as the appropriate way for out-of-state hunters to carry their weapons. However, they do not mention anything about an out-of-stater transporting a handgun. I figured that, given the Heller v. Chicago decision, they can't entirely prevent someone from out of state from transporting a weapon, but they can govern how that person is to transport it. Of course, avoiding getting pulled over and then having a police officer notice a locked gun case is probably the best option. But, does anyone from Illinois who knows more about the laws know of any instances where an out of state gun owner was challenged for transporting in this way? Given that an out of state gun owner can't get a FOID, I'm not sure what the alternative would be.
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Old November 12, 2011, 04:39 PM   #16
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You don't have to break down your firearm.

I am going to dig up a case for you where an Indiana man was charged for UUW for having a loaded handgun in the center console of his vehicle.

he was found innocent.
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Old November 12, 2011, 04:49 PM   #17
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Here it is:

I think this would apply for all out-of-state residents:

People v. Holmes, Ill. Supreme Court, Docket # 109130, Opinion filed 4/7/11. The defendant owner/driver of a motor vehicle, an Indiana resident who had been issued a carry license by his home state, was stopped by Chicago police officers for a traffic violation. Pursuant to a search, a 9 mm handgun was recovered from a backseat armrest of the car. The Court noted that “[t]he armrest separated the two back seats and contained a storage compartment that closed with a latch. The compartment could be folded up into the seat or left in a down position.

Illinois State Supreme Court found for the defendant in this case.



Given the findings in the case, I am sure that transporting your firearm, in a case in the trunk of the vehicle would be legal.

This "Unlawful Use of a Weapon" law is being challenged right now. Hopefully it will be thrown out.

Maybe someday there will be reciprocity laws between all 48 contiguous states, I know there is a federal bill that wants to do that, but it would be much better if the state legislatures and governors brought it about.
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Old November 12, 2011, 05:31 PM   #18
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C0untZer0, thanks for leading me to that case. It's interesting and good news. I'll continue to lock it up, unloaded, and in the back of the car. But it's nice knowing I can leave it assembled. Of course, I don't know Chicago cops very well but I hope not to have to find out how up to speed they are on current Illinois jurisprudence. It's unfortunate that this guy's been waiting for six years and still has to wait on the circuit court to reevalute the facts of the case. It would also be interesting to know what would happen to someone from a state that did not require permits (AZ, AK) who had unloaded and locked up their gun in Chicago. I hope the legislature fixes these issues before that question gets brought up. Thanks again.
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Old November 13, 2011, 01:37 AM   #19
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What were the chicago police searching this mans car for anyway. It was a traffic stop!!!
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Old November 14, 2011, 11:07 PM   #20
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My check was finally cashed by the WI DOJ... it's been a long road but my state issue permission slip should be here by the end of the week at most.
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Old January 2, 2012, 05:59 PM   #21
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It's 2012 and Wisconsin has been overwhelmed by applications.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,4559147.story

They must be back logged at least 46 days if they're saying that they won't meet their deadline (45 days).

I'm sure there were some state workers that were happy to be getting overtime pay heading into the holidays...

This story appeared in the Chicago Tribune, I'm not sure what that says... maybe the Trib is covering the Illinois carry story indirectly with a story like this.
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Old January 2, 2012, 07:57 PM   #22
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Let's not go there !!!

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I knew though that Hunters Ed was the one thing they said was a lock solid for getting your training portion approved.
I hope not as that would be a great mistake and that is coming from a Hunter Safety instructor. For one thing, the use of handguns is not taught and even discouraged. Most of the students are in the 11 to 19 year old range with the rest being adults. .....

If and when training is required, it is best left to NRA Certified instructors. I personally know three NRA certified instructors in Iowa and have assisted one. What they teach is a far cry from what is taught in a states Hunter Safety Course. ....

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Old January 2, 2012, 08:13 PM   #23
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sink the windy city!!!

Then the rest of your state can do things right. It always amazed me how the Daily family had more power than your Governor did in Ill., they have so many times shot down anything to do with firearms. I am 58 and its been that way my whole life, i know i only live across the border in MI down the road 130 miles. Chicago has always been a dictator of your state,we had the same problem with Detroit for yrs but boy has that changed in the last 5 to 8 yrs or so. Good luck,maybe Rahm will give in?but i doubt it? your state has had some serious crooks in office over the yrs (not mentioning the one in the big house)they never have followed rules at all re-writing tons of them as they went along. There truly is nothing to match Chicago politics? Well maybe Boston? close second anyway. Lets see Dailys or Kennedys? Not much different at all. GOOD LUCK.
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Old January 2, 2012, 09:58 PM   #24
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I knew though that Hunters Ed was the one thing they said was a lock solid for getting your training portion approved.

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I hope not as that would be a great mistake and that is coming from a Hunter Safety instructor. For one thing, the use of handguns is not taught and even discouraged.

Maybe in Iowa, but the Illinois Hunter’s Safety Course that I took with my oldest daughter 10 years ago had a lot about safe handgun handling.

Regardless, I’m not holding my breath. Until the Liberal pinheads in Chicago all fall into Lake Michigan and drown, there will be no CCW in Illinois.
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Old January 2, 2012, 11:00 PM   #25
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Quite a few states have no training requirements at all, and there is no problem with the CCW population. Those requirements are being used to delay, defer, and refuse issuance of permits, or just make it so expensive and onerous that folks just don't follow through on getting the permit.
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