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Old November 7, 2011, 04:19 PM   #1
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Fully auto weapon question.

Hi board members, I have a question that I could use some help with. I am form the city of Dallas and would like to sell a fully auto UZI. Are there any special requirements that I would have to go through in order to sell this weapon?
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Old November 7, 2011, 04:25 PM   #2
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Call me skeptical, but IMHO if you went through the necessary hoops to own a full auto weapon legally, you would have a pretty good idea what needs to be done.
Call the BATFE, they will be able to give you the No kidding answer to any of your questions.
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Old November 7, 2011, 04:29 PM   #3
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I would ask where you got the thing.......If you bought it LEGALY you would know how to sell it.....jmo
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Old November 7, 2011, 04:41 PM   #4
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it was given to me by a family friend.
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Old November 7, 2011, 04:43 PM   #5
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Depending on when, where, and who you got it from...is it even transferable?

Gotta love Wikipedia
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For civilian possession, all machineguns must have been manufactured and registered with the ATF prior to May 19, 1986 to be transferable between citizens.
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Old November 7, 2011, 04:50 PM   #6
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it was given to me about 6 months ago, from a family friend that has had it since the 90's, form what he told me. i really do not know if it is transferable. it came with a box and no paper work, again this weapon was given to me.
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Old November 7, 2011, 04:50 PM   #7
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Do you know what full auto is or are you confusing semi auto with full auto? If it came in a box it is probably a semiauto. Look on the reciever to see what markings are on it. It could be Chinese, Israeli, or US made. It could be a pistol, a rifle, or a short barrel rifle.

If it's a semiauto rifle or pistol the sale would be pretty straightforward with no paperwork. If it is a semiauto short barrel rifle, the sale is a little more complicated if you have the transfer paperwork and are in touch with the family friend.

If it IS full auto, you are looking at prison time for possesing it and the only options are to turn it in to the ATF or stripping it, cutting up the reciever and getting rid of the reciever, then selling the parts as a kit

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Old November 7, 2011, 04:56 PM   #8
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...Wow...I wish I had friend just "give" me wepons. How do you find friends like this?
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Old November 7, 2011, 04:56 PM   #9
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chack thanks! that is the info i need. the font seems to be Israeli, it has a small switch on the handle. i have not shot the weapon so i really do not know what this switch dose. is there any possibility that this could be a replica ?

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Old November 7, 2011, 05:01 PM   #10
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Well read this. It will give you an idea of what needs to be done.

If you are serious you need to do a search for a NFA dealer in Texas and go thru them.

http://www.arizonagunlist.com/How_to...O_signoff.html

http://nfadealers.com/
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Old November 7, 2011, 05:13 PM   #11
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Tombstonejim: I just read through some of the steps needed to keep a machine gun, and if I were Ram, I'd strip it and sell the parts, or cut it in half.
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Old November 7, 2011, 05:15 PM   #12
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If it is a full auto israeli the most likely possibilities are:

1) registered FA gun that was stolen
2) legally imported semi auto that was illegally converted
3) illegally imported gun

Is it an open bolt gun?

Is there an import stamp on it?

Does it have a fixed firing pin?

Does it have a folding stock?

is it 9mm or .380?

I really hope that you have a semiauto gun and not a full auto.
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Old November 7, 2011, 05:27 PM   #13
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i really do not know anything about this weapon i opened it to see if the trigger was shaved down or to see if it has been tampered with, but nothing. it shoots a 45 apc. i am going to a ranch today to shoot it. if it is a fully auto ill turn it over and explain what happened. the last thing i want to do is break the law.
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Old November 7, 2011, 05:31 PM   #14
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It can not just be GIVEN to you - now both would be guilty of felonies

You really need to speak to an attorney
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Old November 7, 2011, 05:33 PM   #15
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...Wow...I wish I had friend just "give" me wepons. How do you find friends like this?
If someone gives you an illegal unregistered machine gun, they may not be as much of a "friend" to you as you think.
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Old November 7, 2011, 05:40 PM   #16
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Guys please read the thread. I really do not know what I have. As I said, if it is illegal ill turn it.
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Old November 7, 2011, 05:45 PM   #17
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Ram972, as much fun as it might be to get a hold of one, I think we are all hoping that what you have is not what you think it is.

Of course, if it is the closed-bolt blowback semiauto civvie version, by all means, enjoy. By the way, 2011 Standard Catalog of Firearms prices these at $850 NIB
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Old November 7, 2011, 05:51 PM   #18
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stressfire. i am about to go test it, if it is ill turn it in. if it is not ill go get it checked out.
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Old November 7, 2011, 06:02 PM   #19
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Might not be a bad idea to consult an attorney also, as oneounceload pointed out, who specializes in firearms law - you don't want to be the one holding the bag on that.

That said, have fun
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Old November 7, 2011, 06:05 PM   #20
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How long is the barrel on this gun? Does it stick out from the front just a coupple inches or about 10 inches?

What does the bolt look like? Is it flat on the side or does it have a slot in it?



The selector switch on the side, does it have two positions or three? Safe will be all the way to the back. Fire is one click forward. Full auto (if it has it) is two clicks forward.



If you pull the cocking knob to the back does the bolt stay open like in this pic or does it go back shut?

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Old November 7, 2011, 06:37 PM   #21
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Well i don't think you understand. No body can give you a fully auto weapon without the required forms. You are not allowed to take possion untill such forms are filled out and approved. The fact that you have the weapon is a felony. It appears that your so called friend does not have the required forms either. So now both of you are subject to 10 years in the slammer no questions ask.

There is no way you are going to walk into any law agency and just hand it to them and walk out.

Options are.

Give it back to your so called friend.

Dig a hole and bury it with two bags of concrete on top and tell everyone there is a rabid skunk under there.

Find the Dallas chapter of the Sons Of Anarchy and see if they will take it.

I,m betting this thing is stolen Special Forces Property

Now if you happen to be a member of one of the cartels operating out of Texas then you probably really don't care what the laws are.

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Old November 7, 2011, 07:07 PM   #22
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I would talk to an LEO and just tell him whats going on....unless your friend is up to no good. IF he is even a friend...this IS NOT to be delt with lightly.
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Old November 7, 2011, 07:17 PM   #23
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Find the Dallas chapter of the Sons Of Anarchy and see if they will take it.
Thanks, Dude, now I have to wipe a nice mix of snot, saliva, and coffee off of my screen

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this IS NOT to be delt with lightly
Not at all, but OP did say he was headed out to see what the deal was with it.

Maybe its an original, maybe its an illegally modified civilian model, then again friend could just be jerkin' his chain and it might be an everyday, run of the mill semi-auto.

Legally sticky, no doubt
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Old November 7, 2011, 07:25 PM   #24
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ok guys just shot it. i am even more confused now!! it says it takes a 45 apc. i tried to insert that type of ammo and it did not take. the clip takes 25 rounds of 9mm so i used that. it is not full auto its semi auto although The selector switch has three setting safe, semi and full, i tried all but it kept shooting in semi. when i pull the cocking knob to the back the bolt closes even when i set the switch to full auto.
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Old November 7, 2011, 07:42 PM   #25
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Definitely weird, but you should be happy that it's not necessarily illegal.

Maybe cobbled together from parts? Is the caliber stamped on the barrel or the frame?
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