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Old October 23, 2011, 08:03 AM   #26
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Thank you both.

That tells me if I ever want a replica Colt B-P pistol I need a 1st or 2nd Generation. Good to know.
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Old October 23, 2011, 08:14 AM   #27
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Not exactly. The 1G are the originals, not replicas.
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Old October 23, 2011, 11:05 PM   #28
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What Mykeal said +1. There needs to be a sticky about this at the top of every BP forum.
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Old October 24, 2011, 07:15 PM   #29
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Well, you are right but I do think the 3rds are worth more in this market. Too the fact of what I have been able to sell them for. I talked w/ a retired gentleman that worked for Colt BP Arms and he said that Colt reps inspected them since the name COLT was on them before they were sold. True or not--that is what he said. WBH
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Old October 26, 2011, 05:09 PM   #30
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I do have a special gun of the 3rds that impressed me so much that I had to buy a new 3rd display box and 3rd sig accessories to go w/it. It is -1849 32 c pocket w/ much more silver plating (NIB UNFIRED) than I have seen on others. I bought it from an estate w/ white shipping box / uncracked gray box and manual. If interested contact me at bhardy360@aol.com. I like it
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Old October 26, 2011, 06:13 PM   #31
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Hardy,

The 1849 Pocket revolvers were .31 caliber, not .32.
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Old October 27, 2011, 08:13 PM   #32
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I know that Zullo but we use 32 c balls since distributor doesn't have 31's. But you are right it is a 31 c/ 49 pocket. Sorry again for amazing you But it is a pretty gun!!!
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Old October 27, 2011, 08:18 PM   #33
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.. and we all use .451-.457 RB's in our .44 caliber revolvers. But they are still .44's.
Now when I put the .45 Colt conversion cylinder on it and shoot cartridges using a .452 RNL bullet, it's magically a .45! Amazing, huh? MA=GIC that's the formula.
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Old October 28, 2011, 04:28 PM   #34
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I meant to say that it was a 31 caliber. Got hasty did I not?

Ya'll will not let anything get past you--I guess that's a good thing But don't you want it?

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Old October 29, 2011, 01:58 PM   #35
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2nd & 3rd Generation Colts

I believe the answers to all these speculations about 2nd & 3rd Generation percussion Colt revolvers can be found in Dennis Russell's book, Percussion Colt Revolvers, The Second Generation Collector's Handbook & Price Guide. The new 6th addition is now available directly from Dennis Russell. It is greatly expanded from 112 pages to 179 pages. By the way, most of Dennis Adler's material was obtained from Dennis Russell. I believe in giving credit where credit is due.
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Old November 10, 2011, 06:43 PM   #36
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Colt Signature parts

Just wanted to let you guys know that I received both screws i was missing. They were perfect. From (thru) MidwayUSA.com . Thanks for your help and clarification of a long standing Fogginess about these pieces. Thanks again.
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Old November 11, 2011, 05:34 AM   #37
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People can speculate all they want but still all 2 and 3rd gen guns are Italian parts and in reality 3rd and 4th gen. The real 2nd gen guns are the Belgain centenial brevettes made under the colt patent.
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Old November 11, 2011, 08:24 AM   #38
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Good point about the Belgian guns.
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Old November 12, 2011, 12:22 PM   #39
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The Belgians never made the 1860 .44 until 1960.
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Old November 12, 2011, 12:51 PM   #40
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I knew that.
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Old November 12, 2011, 01:57 PM   #41
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So that makes the 1860 .44s made in 1960 reproductions, not 2nd generations.
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Old November 12, 2011, 02:26 PM   #42
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Not really, Their is a license agreement from the 1850's(which is neither here nor there), they were made on original Colt equipment, parts and screws interchange with originals. That's closer to a real Colt than the second gens.
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Old November 12, 2011, 03:08 PM   #43
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The Belgians made the 1851 .36 brevettes (among others), but not the 1860 .44s, so how do you tie the 1860s in with the Colt license? Don't get me wrong - I think Belgian guns are great (I have several), but I do not see the connection with the 1960 Centennials.
Is there any documentation that the 1960s were made on the 1860 machinery?
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Old November 12, 2011, 04:16 PM   #44
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I think the license extended to the 60 but i might be wrong, wouldn't be the first time and I hope it's not the last.

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Is there any documentation that the 1960s were made on the 1860 machinery?
No I just assumed and we all know what that means.
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Old November 12, 2011, 04:32 PM   #45
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Here is some info on the Belgian Colts....

http://www.1960nma.org/Production/BE...04.09.08-1.htm
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Old November 12, 2011, 08:19 PM   #46
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Like I said, I like Belgian guns. The ones I own are well made antiques and have stood up very well over time. I just don't consider the 1960 .44s to be 2nd generation or reissues. If they were made on 1860 equipment, sure...but they weren't. I know that my Colt 3rd Generation guns were mostly made in Italy but that's OK, too ($300 for a "letter"? No thanks). The Italians do very well with sportscars, other firearms, women, etc.
If you think about it, in an evolutionary sense, a true 1st Generation would be a Paterson, and the Walker would be 2nd Generation and so on.
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Old November 12, 2011, 09:23 PM   #47
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Where can you letter a 3rd gen? Colt won't do it.
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Old November 12, 2011, 09:30 PM   #48
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That's true. I meant that even if they were "authentic" Colts, it just doesn't interest me. I have an 1851 .36 made in 1862 that could get a "letter", but I could buy a nice repro or a bunch of ammo and powder for $300. A few years ago I passed on a Belgian 1860 .44 for $275 and I'm still kicking myself (I had no idea what they were at the time).
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Old November 12, 2011, 11:44 PM   #49
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As far as I know the Colt licence for the maufacture of Brevete types never has expired so though they never made the army originaly it still would be a under licence to Colt. I would be pretty displeased with my self over missing one for $275 also as they just never seem to show up for sale much at all.
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Old November 20, 2011, 07:17 PM   #50
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Colt is stamped on the gun. Why the fuss? Let it be the last of the breed. Obviously many collectors still want them. Why doesn't Colt sue them for counterfeiting!? They are mentioned in the Colt revolver handbook. They say Uberti made them? Of coruse---- most of you have decided they are not colts. Um---
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