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Old October 17, 2011, 11:02 AM   #1
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Colt Signature Series Parts

I have an 1861 Navy Colts Signature series I purchased in the early 2000s.Unfortunately it is missing a screw underneath the trigger guard that holds the guard to the pistol and , also is missing one of the screws used to hold an optional rifle stock to the pistol. I want to find those two screws without damaging the value of the piece. Done a lot of online research and am confused as to looking to Uberti ,Pietta or some other source of authentic 3rd Generation "Signature Series" parts. Can anyone help please?
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Old October 17, 2011, 11:28 AM   #2
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I've used Uberti screws on a couple of my second Generation Colt BPs, Uberti screws should work just fine on your Sig series.
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Old October 17, 2011, 12:55 PM   #3
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Uberti screws are 'original equipment' since the 'Colt' 2nd and 3rd gen revolvers were made using Uberti parts.
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Old October 18, 2011, 06:34 PM   #4
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be carefull if they don't work you call Dixie or Colt Parts I bought w/out knowing anything 2 hammer hands from Colt parts and they were way too big. Dixie says piettas are piettas/ ubertis are ubertis and colts are colts. I would think uberti parts woud fit 3rds
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Old October 19, 2011, 08:14 AM   #5
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I've used Uberti screws on a couple of my second Generation Colt BPs, Uberti screws should work just fine on your Sig series.
Metric threads I have never really checked any of my 2nd or 3rd gens. I would have thought standard US threads. I guess I have something to do today.
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Old October 19, 2011, 08:30 AM   #6
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Knock yourself out. Of course metric threads! These 'Colts' were assembled from Uberti (made in Italy) parts. Did you really think that Colt made them?
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Old October 20, 2011, 06:40 AM   #7
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Knock yourself out. Of course metric threads! These 'Colts' were assembled from Uberti (made in Italy) parts. Did you really think that Colt made them?
I little research on your part may enlighten you to the truth.
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Old October 20, 2011, 06:43 AM   #8
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The 'TRUTH' is all 2-3 generation Colt guns were assembled from Uberti parts.
The research is out there. Lou Imperato assembled the guns.
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Old October 20, 2011, 06:57 AM   #9
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The 'TRUTH' is all 2-3 generation Colt guns were assembled from Uberti parts.
The research is out there. Lou Imperato assembled the guns.
You speak in half truths.

Some Uberti raw parts were used on both 2nd and 3rd gens. Lou had nothing to do with C series 2nd gens.
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Old October 20, 2011, 07:30 AM   #10
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I forgot that SOME of the C series was built from Uberti parts by Val Forgett of Navy Arms.

Excerpt from History of Colt Black Powder Reproductions by Dennis Adler

"Within the 2nd Generation, the first or "C" Series, consisted of the standard 1851 model, with serial numbers 4201 through 25099, produced from 1971 through 1976, with those in the 1971-73 serial number range having been built by Colt's from Forgett's components."
"Beginning in 1974, Imperato replaced Val Forgett as Colt's supplier of components to build their percussion revolvers."
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Old October 20, 2011, 12:11 PM   #11
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GunBroker has a complete set of screws available.
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Old October 20, 2011, 03:57 PM   #12
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zullo74 - you're interpreting Adler's words differently than I do. I think he very clearly says Forgett and Imperato were parts suppliers, and Colt's Manufacturing were the builders. Do you disagree with that?
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Old October 20, 2011, 04:48 PM   #13
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I do not disagree with that for the C series, but for the rest I do. Regardless, the parts were still Uberti (and metric).
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Old October 22, 2011, 09:06 AM   #14
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Gentlemen,Gentleman.....thanks for all the responses. They really helped. The Uberti web page directed me to MidwayUSA.com...it seems Uberti doesn't deal parts directly from their web page. Anyway, MidwayUSA shipped immediately and their (Uberti's) screw fit like a glove...BTW , you guys are the experts but I was under the impression that ,regarding 3rd gen, Uberti made most of the parts and Colts Black Powder of Brooklyn finished them here ...In any case , thanks again!
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Old October 22, 2011, 10:05 AM   #15
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I told all you 'genuine' Colt lovers that Uberti made ALL the parts. Case closed.
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Old October 22, 2011, 12:14 PM   #16
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Ouch. You mean my 3rd Generation Colts weren't made in Hartford on 1862 machinery? Does that mean that the signature on the backstrap isn't really Sam Colt's?
Damn. I'll never look at them the same way again.
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Old October 22, 2011, 05:04 PM   #17
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It's alright Pohill, they's purty anyway.
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Old October 22, 2011, 07:29 PM   #18
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To some and many collectors-- the 3rds Have greater value than the piettas and uberti. i retail bp guns. I have sold 2- 3rd gen 51 navys/ 1 49 pocket and one 1860 army at less or equal to ones priced fairly on other sites in the last year.. All the 3rds I sold were meant to be shot except 1--- 1851 navy that came w/ extra accessories box. The man that bought it had 12 to 15 bp guns(Experienced and wise to thess) and he wanted it to give to his grandson. Now I'm finding these pretty guns harder to find. What a lot of folks here don't like is that they are not real Colts. But- they don't make them anymore and they say Sam Colt on barrel and nothing is mentioned about BLACK POWDER ONLY-- So do not discredit them even though some do.

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Old October 22, 2011, 07:58 PM   #19
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... I was under the impression that ,regarding 3rd gen, Uberti made most of the parts and Colts Black Powder of Brooklyn finished them here
Colt's Black Powder ... of Brooklyn?

Is/was that some kind of Colt subsidiary, or a completely separate company from Colt's Manufacturing? The farthest the real Colt's has moved from the original blue onion domed factory in Hartford is about 10 miles west, to West Hartford.
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Old October 22, 2011, 08:29 PM   #20
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Colt Black Powder was a separate company from Colt's Manufacturing.
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Old October 22, 2011, 09:09 PM   #21
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What Mykeal said.
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Old October 22, 2011, 10:08 PM   #22
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Colt Black Powder was a separate company from Colt's Manufacturing.
Okay, then I am confused. Is this company also owned by New Colt Holding Company, and are their pistols considered to be "Colts," or is this some kind of coattail company trying to cash in on Colt's name and reputation? Is this company the source of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation BP colts being discussed in this thread? I thought those were sold by/through Colt in West hartford.
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Old October 23, 2011, 03:18 AM   #23
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Colt bought the parts from Uberti for the second gens. Colt assembled them and did the final fit and finish. Colt warranted them and will letter them. Those are considered to be Colt's. The third gens were made under license from Colt but Colt never touched them. Colt didn't warranty them and won't work on them and won't letter them. Those are not considered Colt's except for a few that say they are Colt's because they have the Colt name on them and the rampant colt. Colt merely sold the rights to the name and logo.
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Old October 23, 2011, 05:27 AM   #24
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Aguila Blanca seems confused about the corporate names, so with apologies to Hawg, I'll insert them in his description in an attempt to clarify:

Colt's Manufacturing bought the parts from Uberti for the second gens. Colt's Manufacturing assembled them and did the final fit and finish. Colt's Manufacturing warranted them and will letter them. Those are considered to be Colt's. The third gens were made by Colt Blackpowder, Inc. using Uberti parts under license from Colt's Manufacturing but Colt's Manufacturing never touched them. Colt's Manufacturing didn't warranty them and won't work on them and won't letter them. Those are not considered Colt's except for a few that say they are Colt's because they have the Colt name on them and the rampant colt. Colt's Manufacturing merely sold the rights to the name and logo.

Colt's Manufacturing Company produced the 1st and 2nd Generation black powder revolvers, as Hawg described. Colt Blackpowder, Inc. produced the 3rd Generation black powder revolvers, as Hawg described. Colt Blackpowder, Inc. was not and is not affiliated with New Colt Holding Co. in any way; it was a separate corporate entity which worked under license to Colt's Manufacturing. New Colt Holding Company did not exist when Colt Blackpowder, Inc. was in operation.

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Old October 23, 2011, 06:35 AM   #25
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Thanks for the clarification Mykeal.
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