staked primer pockets

boostedtt91 · October 10, 2011, 09:38 PM

I went to reload some .223 rounds today and most of the primer pockets are screwed up from the factory staking the primer in. What is the point if this? Why is this only done on 223 brass? Its gonna be a pita to have to reamer every piece of brass just to reload. Plus it destroyed my rcbs dies, bent the **** out if my decapper. Federal brass seems to be the worst, but the remington brass isnt staked along with a few other companies. Why do some stake and others dont.

wncchester · October 10, 2011, 09:45 PM

Military rifle cases have crimped primers in 5.56, 7.65 and, in the old days, .30-06. It's done for use in full auto weapons that may open when chamber pressure is still high enough to blow the primers out and jam the action.

Get a crimp remover reamer or swager.

res45 · October 10, 2011, 10:03 PM

When I do mil-spec case with crimped primer I use the Lee Universal decapper die. The decapper rod and pin are built a bit stronger and is easily replaced if broken and much cheaper. So far I haven't broken one yet in several years of use.

For removing the primer pocket crimp I use the Hornady primer pocket reamer head sold separately chucked up in my cordless drill. You can do a couple hundred an hour pretty easy. http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/804...reamer-package

Jbotto · October 10, 2011, 11:00 PM

What are some other good tools from removing the crimp?

Steel Talon · October 10, 2011, 11:39 PM

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What are some other good tools from removing the crimp

RCBS SWAGER Combo http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/447...t-swager-combo

Dillon Super swage 600 (the absolute cadillac of swagers)http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/con...uper_Swage_600

Edward429451 · October 11, 2011, 12:50 AM

I have the RCBS primer pocket swager kitand it works very well but you must remember to seperate your brass by headstamp, and for LC brass this means by year also. Failing to sort the brass will result in Bending the swaging rod. I'm on my 3rd rod so have learned very well by now to pay attention to headstamp.

maggys drawers · October 11, 2011, 01:49 AM

An RCBS case prep center removes crimps well. It's still tough on the fingers after the first 100, but nowhere near hand reaming 100 primer pockets tough.

My buddy has one and I use it more than he does.

boostedtt91 · October 11, 2011, 01:39 PM

what would be the better tool for this, the primer pocket reamer or the primer pocket swager kit? Is it hard to use the hand held reamer and still get a perfect pocket size without ruining it to where the primers don't fit anymore

res45 · October 11, 2011, 06:43 PM

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Is it hard to use the hand held reamer and still get a perfect pocket size without ruining it to where the primers don't fit anymore

I guess it possible but I've done over 1K cases and had no issues. The Hornady tool is already set to the correct depth for L and S primer pockets you can't cut the pocket any deeper. The cutter is on the sides and cuts the pockets to SAMMI specifications,but I've noticed very little brass being remove from the inside of the primer pocket.

The bevel portion of the cutter remover just enough brass to remove the crimp ring. I've using it with LC 7.62 x 51 brass and Win. 9mm NATO.

Steel Talon · October 11, 2011, 06:56 PM

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what would be the better tool for this, the primer pocket reamer or the primer pocket swager kit? Is it hard to use the hand held reamer and still get a perfect pocket size without ruining it to where the primers don't fit anymore

As long as you have a single stage press.The RCBS SWAGER KIT would be the easiest of the two. After the swage the primer pockets are nice and uniform. Primers fit nice and snug.

m&p45acp10+1 · October 11, 2011, 07:11 PM

For primer pocket crimp removal the Lyman case prep combo will do the job just fine. I think I paid around $20 for it. It has the chamfer, deburring tool, large, and small primer pocket cleaning tool. and large, and small primer pocket reaming tool. I use it and it works just fine for .223 Rem. . I have noticed a lot of Federal, and PMC brass that have crimped primer pockets. As well as Lake City.

res45 · October 11, 2011, 08:32 PM

If you really want to go cheap just use your Chamfering tool,it will do the same thing just slower.

NESHOOTER · October 11, 2011, 08:41 PM

I have used the Hornady a tremdous cramping of the hands for anything over 200, the Lyman about the same as the Hornady then/w power driver better but the hand holding the case gets just as cramped sooooooooo, I just purchased the RCBS swager and it takes alittle more time getting aligned to the swaging rod but it just maybe what the doc ordered.

Miata Mike · October 11, 2011, 10:52 PM

I have a Dillon Super swage 600 and love it. I get very sick of all the trimming.

October 10, 2011, 09:38 PM	#1
boostedtt91 Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2011 Location: Danville, Pa Posts: 453	staked primer pockets I went to reload some .223 rounds today and most of the primer pockets are screwed up from the factory staking the primer in. What is the point if this? Why is this only done on 223 brass? Its gonna be a pita to have to reamer every piece of brass just to reload. Plus it destroyed my rcbs dies, bent the **** out if my decapper. Federal brass seems to be the worst, but the remington brass isnt staked along with a few other companies. Why do some stake and others dont.

October 11, 2011, 12:50 AM	#6
Edward429451 Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,457	I have the RCBS primer pocket swager kitand it works very well but you must remember to seperate your brass by headstamp, and for LC brass this means by year also. Failing to sort the brass will result in Bending the swaging rod. I'm on my 3rd rod so have learned very well by now to pay attention to headstamp. __________________ "Always place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark" Lazarus Long "Understand that the enemy is not the enemy in his own eyes ;this may offer you an opportunity to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate, and quickly." Lazarus Long

October 11, 2011, 07:11 PM	#11
m&p45acp10+1 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 3,104	For primer pocket crimp removal the Lyman case prep combo will do the job just fine. I think I paid around $20 for it. It has the chamfer, deburring tool, large, and small primer pocket cleaning tool. and large, and small primer pocket reaming tool. I use it and it works just fine for .223 Rem. . I have noticed a lot of Federal, and PMC brass that have crimped primer pockets. As well as Lake City. __________________ No matter how many times you do it and nothing happens it only takes something going wrong one time to kill you.

October 10, 2011, 09:45 PM	#2
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,700	Military rifle cases have crimped primers in 5.56, 7.65 and, in the old days, .30-06. It's done for use in full auto weapons that may open when chamber pressure is still high enough to blow the primers out and jam the action. Get a crimp remover reamer or swager.

October 10, 2011, 10:03 PM	#3
res45 Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Posts: 513	When I do mil-spec case with crimped primer I use the Lee Universal decapper die. The decapper rod and pin are built a bit stronger and is easily replaced if broken and much cheaper. So far I haven't broken one yet in several years of use. For removing the primer pocket crimp I use the Hornady primer pocket reamer head sold separately chucked up in my cordless drill. You can do a couple hundred an hour pretty easy. http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/804...reamer-package

October 10, 2011, 11:00 PM	#4
Jbotto Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2010 Location: MN Posts: 311	What are some other good tools from removing the crimp?

October 11, 2011, 01:49 AM	#7
maggys drawers Senior Member Join Date: March 4, 2006 Posts: 175	An RCBS case prep center removes crimps well. It's still tough on the fingers after the first 100, but nowhere near hand reaming 100 primer pockets tough. My buddy has one and I use it more than he does.

October 11, 2011, 01:39 PM	#8
boostedtt91 Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2011 Location: Danville, Pa Posts: 453	what would be the better tool for this, the primer pocket reamer or the primer pocket swager kit? Is it hard to use the hand held reamer and still get a perfect pocket size without ruining it to where the primers don't fit anymore

October 11, 2011, 08:32 PM	#12
res45 Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Posts: 513	If you really want to go cheap just use your Chamfering tool,it will do the same thing just slower.

October 11, 2011, 08:41 PM	#13
NESHOOTER Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2009 Posts: 469	I have used the Hornady a tremdous cramping of the hands for anything over 200, the Lyman about the same as the Hornady then/w power driver better but the hand holding the case gets just as cramped sooooooooo, I just purchased the RCBS swager and it takes alittle more time getting aligned to the swaging rod but it just maybe what the doc ordered.

October 11, 2011, 10:52 PM	#14
Miata Mike Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2010 Location: North East WI Posts: 390	I have a Dillon Super swage 600 and love it. I get very sick of all the trimming.