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Old October 4, 2011, 03:34 AM   #1
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Yugo M48

I may have found my next C&R purchase. Widener's has what looks to be some very pristine Yugo M48 mausers, and I've yet to fill the 8 mil niche in my collection. The price is 270.00 and that includes shipping. I'm not sure if this is too steep for a Yugo, but they sure look pretty from the photo sample! If I get one, I'll then need ammo...think I may go to AIM Surplus for their Romanian 8mm for that. Any of you dealt with Widener's? They seem to be a pretty good company. Thanks.

Here's the link to the page to see for yourself:

http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...m_id=100000268
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Old October 4, 2011, 08:14 AM   #2
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If you need to fill an 8mm C&R niche, you might also consider the Czech M24/47 - Southern Ohio Gun has them for under $200. I bought one a couple of years ago and have been happy with it.
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Old October 4, 2011, 10:04 AM   #3
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you might also consider the Czech M24/47
The M24/47 is a re-arsenaled YUGO M1924, the Czech VZ24 was re-arsenaled by the Serbs and is the M24/52C.



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The price is 270.00 and that includes shipping. I'm not sure if this is too steep for a Yugo,
I think if you are patient and watch Gunbroker you can get a better condition rifle for slightly less money. It would only be 20-40 bucks but you could find a "as new" rifle.

The M48 was produced in 51 and 52, then came the M48A. The Serbs started to use stamped parts on these rifles, first floor plates and then floor plates and trigger guards. These rifles retained the M48A roll mark but are considered a M48B. The final production was the M48BO, this rifle has no marking or crest, just a serial number. The BO's that went to foreign service would receive the crest of the country of service, Syria, Egypt, and other middle east countries.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=254233369

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=253752070

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=253894152

I think as we get into winter you well see more of these on Gunbroker priced to sell. There are bargains to be found. I just won the some what rare Syrian marked BO for $180.




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Treat this as corrosive ammo, I clean with a mix of hot water and Ballistol, with a finial bore clean of straight Ballistol. This stuff has hard primers and you need to have the bolt clean and oiled for good ignition, some even replace the firing pin spring with a 24 pounder.
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Old October 5, 2011, 08:13 AM   #4
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You're right - I mis-spoke (mis-typed). I meant to say "which ever one you're considering, also consider the other one."
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Old October 5, 2011, 04:13 PM   #5
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They're great rifles. I would also throw in a RC K98K for consideration/ They're everywhere and still affordable. The quality is hard to match, if they've been taken care of since re-arsenal.
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Old October 6, 2011, 07:13 PM   #6
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Those are Great Looking Rifles, Southern Ohio Gun also has them, and Samco Global Arms has the 24 47 Rifles. I bought one from them with bent bolt handle. and it was in much better than advertized condition, It was like brand new. Good Luck, also Go ahead and go to Brownells Website and order a tall Mauser front sight, you will need it because these rifles shoot high with the issue sights, and sight picture is not very good with the rear sight on the lowest setting.
Good luck.

Here are A Couple of Pictures of the Rifle I got From Samco Global Arms, the Bore was also like new.




[IMG]http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z191/Houndsman2007/03-05-10_131.jpg[/IMG

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Old October 6, 2011, 07:25 PM   #7
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I've dealt with Widener's several times. They've always been great to me.
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Old October 6, 2011, 07:31 PM   #8
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Old October 7, 2011, 07:39 PM   #9
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There are arguments that favor both the M48 and the M24/47. I much prefer the aesthetics of the M48, mostly because of the semi-bent bolt. Both are about the same length, which is in what I think is considered the "short rifle" area (longer than a carbine, but not as long as the original Mauser Model 98). But the M48 has a slightly shorter action than other Mausers, whereas the M24/47 (I've been informed) uses the standard Mauser 98 action.

That said -- I'd love to have a pristine M48.
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Old October 7, 2011, 08:34 PM   #10
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That said -- I'd love to have a pristine M48.
I have one I bought eight years ago from Mitchell Mausers, and never fired it. I am going to buy some ammo. for it and shoot it before long. I would not mind buying another one just for a shooter. Or maybe the M48A just so I will have an excuse to buy another rifle.
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Old October 8, 2011, 03:15 AM   #11
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I'd guess an M48 should shoot well. A couple of years ago I visited a friend in another state and (of course) we went to the outdoor range where he shoots. He was dialing in a couple of varmint rifles he had just acquired. While we were there we got a chance to shoot a Mauser M24/47 that had been set up with a 4x scope using one of those Picatinny rails that replaces the original ladder sight -- so no mods to the rifle. (Pretty neat!) The ammo that was available was (IIRC) Ecuadorian mil-surp, and I was shooting 4-inch groups at 200 yards.

I suspect with some decent commercial ammo or handloads that could easily be reduced to 3" or maybe even 2". But even 4" isn't at all bad for an old rifle and old surplus ammo.
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Old October 8, 2011, 09:32 PM   #12
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Thanks for the replies, everyone. All considerations are noted. I did find this offer, I don't know how authentic or legitimate it is, however.

http://grabagun.com/pw-arms-yugo-m48...d-stk-5rd.html
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Old October 9, 2011, 07:09 AM   #13
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Not a bad price for a unissued M48. I paid $200 for mine a few years ago, with bayonet and cleaning supplies.

The M48 was the first run of post war rifles the Serbs made, the M48A, B and BO well normally have a smoother bolt. The B and BO well contain more stamped steel parts. The M48B well retain the M48A roll mark on the receiver ring but have the stamped parts.
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Old October 9, 2011, 07:19 AM   #14
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I'm clear on all the laws regarding LTC, purchase, state transfer, etc. (being from MA(SSHOLES) and all), but I've never really understood what the Curios and Relics license is. What does it let you own legally? Can you buy a WWII era howitzer?
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Old October 9, 2011, 03:47 PM   #15
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Blitzo...indeed, howitzers are included, but not to be discounted are the 15 inch naval guns. One needs quite a stable platform to mount those puppies on, however. Additionally, hearing protection is much advised. In all seriousness, though, this page is an abbreviated version of what C&R's are all about...aka "Cruffling". Depending on your enthusiasm with historical and vintage military arms, and, of course, your local and state laws dictating eligibility, I highly recommend you check it out. Most everyone will warn you, however, that once you begin, your bank account soon will be for naught. It certainly is entertaining, however, and you can post your newly acquired purchases on this website and get all kinds of excellent information from many knowledgeable collectors.

http://www.cruffler.com/whatis.html

Also...if you want to get involved in collecting, check out this useful page:

http://www.cruffler.com/becomingcruffler.html
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Old October 9, 2011, 06:27 PM   #16
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I have purchased about three of these in a lesser grade just for the actions to build some custom rifles in the future.
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Old October 10, 2011, 04:44 AM   #17
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Wow, things have certainly changed. I guess it was about 10 years ago I paid $50 for this M48A from AIM.


It was from their missing parts sale. Turned out it was missing the front hood and the cleaning rod. This is the only rifle to survive the Great Sell-Off of 2008. It will do honest 1.5" groups with my reloads.
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Old October 10, 2011, 08:28 AM   #18
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Nope, nope, nope. Can't do it. Cruffler? Sounds too much like something my clientele might come up with as a name for what they are doing, i.e. child molesting or a new way to do drugs. (You learn things as a public defender).

Nope, I like it as just C&R.

That said, try a 24/47. I got mine in what appears to be totally unused condition.

The Doc is out now.

98k, 24/47, M39, K31, M38, M91/30, M44, Enfield No 1. Mk. III, Enfield No4 Mk II, etc...
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Old October 10, 2011, 08:42 AM   #19
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but I've never really understood what the Curios and Relics license is. What does it let you own legally?
I think for most C&R guys, at least in free states, the ability to have a C&R fire arm ship to your door step and not needing to do a FFL transfer is the biggest advantage. You can also get a dealer account at places like Midway and Brownells. I do need to record all your C&R guns, buying and selling. Plus the C&R is not about selling, you can sell to improve your collection, but buying three of one rifle, keeping the best and selling the others is frowned upon by the atf&e. Eric (holding the bag) Holder may come for you
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Old October 12, 2011, 09:41 PM   #21
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OkieCruffler, that's a nice rifle. I'd like to ask what scope you have on it, and if that scope mount is one of the "instant" Picatinny rails that replaces the original ladder sight to avoid drilling and tapping for rings.
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Old October 13, 2011, 08:07 AM   #22
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It's B-Square mount and yes, it just replaces the rear sight, takes about 30 minutes but can be kinda tricky to get level. I believe the scope in the pic is a NcStar 2-7X pistol scope. It's set up with irons again now but it I were to scope it again I'd probably go with a smaller scope, something like one of my 2X20's.
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Old October 21, 2011, 09:29 AM   #23
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no $50 but heres some of my $75 guns

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Old October 21, 2011, 09:32 AM   #24
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Very sweet. I wish I had kept a few of mine but at the time I was thinking they would always be around and cheap. Think I had some brain damage from the cosmoline fumes.
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Old October 21, 2011, 09:49 AM   #25
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heres another option for 8mm, persian mauser - the queen of my safe

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