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Old September 28, 2011, 08:39 PM   #1
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Smith and Wesson Model 58 in 41 Magnum










Dated late 1974-1975.
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Old September 28, 2011, 08:41 PM   #2
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Very nice. Wish I had one.
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Old September 28, 2011, 08:48 PM   #3
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Very nice, I've always admired the M58. The M58 and the M28 are, IMHO, the epitome of the "all-business" revolver.
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Old September 28, 2011, 10:31 PM   #4
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That's beautiful.... I've always wanted a vintage Model 58 to go with my 4" 1st gen 57.
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Old September 28, 2011, 11:26 PM   #5
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I carried the Model 28 in most of my 20 years in LE. I always thought a fix sight N frame would be the cat's meow. The Model 58 would have fit the bill but I never located one.

I think that would have been the perfect LE revolver. (In fact, if I remember right that was the market it was designed for.

The problem was recoil. If they would have made a 41 special version first, I think it would have caught on.
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Old September 28, 2011, 11:40 PM   #6
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Ah.. the Model 58. Also referred to as the Model 10 on steroids.

Nice specimen you have there. Great photography too.
Welcome to the world of guns you can't afford to shoot.

The model 58 was intended to be the police version of the Model 57 and use Remington's 210-grain soft LSWC that was rated (IIRC) at 1100~1150 fps out of the six-inch M57 barrel. That provided 564~617 ft-lbs of whoop-a** that the muzzle. We chronographed a few rounds in the 70's out of my M58 at 1019 fps (484 ft-lbs) and each one felt like launching a fence post downrange.


S&W Model 58, .41 Magnum M&P. S-series prefix (left) and N-Series (right).

The Model 58's profile matches that of the Model 10HB (heavy barrel) except that it's built on the large N-Frame. According to Roy Jinks, the M58 was available only with a 4-inch barrel and in 3 finish flavors -- Blued, Nickel and "Pinto" finishes. The Pinto was simply a blued frame with a nickel barrel, cylinder and cylinder release, giving it a two-tone appearance.

Today's factory ammo lineup excludes the "police" (or self-defense) load and the focus is on hunting ammo. This is unfortunate because even in the lower power loading the .41 Mag showed itself to be a very effective fight-stopper within 25 yards. Some agencies that issued the Model 58 included the San Francisco PD motorcycle unit, San Antonio PD, Houston PD, Nebraska HP and a few smaller towns in the mid-west and south.


Happiness is a family meeting - Model 57's and 58's

Remington's original 210-grain LSWC was a soft swaged lead bullet and notorious for heavy leading after about 18 rounds. It was very effective, however, in anchoring violent suspects. The 210-grain JSP was intended as a hunting load, blasting the jacketed bullet out at at 1300 fps (1309 chrono) and advertised at 1400 fps. This meant muzzle energy of 788 ft-lbs (799 ft-lbs chrono), with the predictable bright muzzle flash, thunderous Ka-Boom and stout recoil.

In 1986, Lew Horton contracted for a run of 5,000 3-inch "Combat" .41 Magnums based on the stainless steel 657. This included a round-butt profile and finger-groove wooden grips.


S&W Model 657, .41 Magnum stainless, 4-inch barrel, round butt

It's a very heavy carry piece but fast out of the holster. Besides the extra weight, the short, unported barrel does not provide counterbalance to the recoil of most factory ammo. The 175-grain Winchester Silvertips work reasonably well. Remington's 210 JSP and Federal's Castcore 250-grain loads deliver wrist-wrenching performance and the muzzle flash will set off orbital nuclear explosion detectors.

I hope you have as much fun with your .41 as I've had with mine.
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Old September 29, 2011, 12:35 AM   #7
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Keep them cherries away from me, boys. I shot a 58 converted to 45 Colt, way back in the 70's, and if I ever get my hands on one I shall similarly defile it
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Old September 29, 2011, 01:37 AM   #8
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While it may not have exactly the same specs, this loading seems reasonably close to the .41 Magnum "Police" Load if anyone wants something of that nature.

http://shop.reedsammo.com/product.sc...&categoryId=70
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Old September 29, 2011, 01:40 AM   #9
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That is gorgeous, wish mine was half as nice. Oh well, at least I've got one.
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Old September 29, 2011, 06:10 AM   #10
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Sweet!

About 10 years ago I paid just under $300 for my Model 58.

I didn't really have the money at the time, but I've never regretted it!
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Old September 29, 2011, 06:18 AM   #11
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Very nice. Very...

I think that's one that everyone who even pretends to be a Smich & Wesson collector/accumulator wants.
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Old September 29, 2011, 08:07 AM   #12
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I couldn't imagine shooting full-house ammo out of a 4" barrel with the Magna grips... no, wait! I can! Which is why it wears Magnas when it's back home, and gets Pachmayrs when it goes out...



My 1979-1980'ish 57...

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Old September 29, 2011, 12:32 PM   #13
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I own a first year M58 and two M57's.

And looking at that gun on those rocks is causing me pain. That looks like sharp-edged quartz! I wouldn't put one of my beauties down there no matter how colorful and interesting the background!

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Old September 29, 2011, 05:16 PM   #14
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I own a first year M58 and two M57's.

And looking at that gun on those rocks is causing me pain. That looks like sharp-edged quartz! I wouldn't put one of my beauties down there no matter how colorful and interesting the background!

Gregg
Nah, it's pea gravel that's been thoroughly "watered" by my dogs. The gun fully recovered from its "ordeal" and is sitting in my safe.

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Very nice. Wish I had one.
I just noticed that J&G Sales has them for sale right now for $769. If you want one, jump on it.
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Old September 29, 2011, 05:23 PM   #15
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[QUOTE]Keep them cherries away from me, boys. I shot a 58 converted to 45 Colt, way back in the 70's, and if I ever get my hands on one I shall similarly defile it [/QUOTE

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Old September 29, 2011, 05:32 PM   #16
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Why waste the money converting it when you can just buy a revolver in 45 Colt?
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Old September 29, 2011, 07:06 PM   #17
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Because you can't buy a revolver like it in 45 Colt. You'd have to experience it to fully appreciate it.
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Old September 29, 2011, 07:31 PM   #18
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230Therapy - Because you can't buy a .45 Colt N-Frame with fixed sights.
Just the .45 ACP in the Model 22/1917 model.
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Old September 29, 2011, 07:35 PM   #19
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230Therapy - Because you can't buy a .45 Colt N-Frame with fixed sights.
Just the .45 ACP in the Model 22/1917 model.
I thought they released the M22...but then it has the ILS. Can't have that!

J&G Sales has M58's...
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Old September 29, 2011, 07:40 PM   #20
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wow.. very nice, I want 1 now.
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Old September 29, 2011, 07:52 PM   #21
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I couldn't imagine shooting full-house ammo out of a 4" barrel with the Magna grips... no, wait! I can! Which is why it wears Magnas when it's back home, and gets Pachmayrs when it goes out...
It's not bad except for the knuckle slap.
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Old September 29, 2011, 08:48 PM   #22
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I couldn't imagine shooting full-house ammo out of a 4" barrel with the Magna grips... no, wait! I can! Which is why it wears Magnas when it's back home, and gets Pachmayrs when it goes out...
Before Pachmayr it was a 4 shot gun, I just couldn't stand the pain that was coming if I fired more than that. My pretty wooden grips now sit in a parts bin in the shop and the 41 is my hip gun when I deer hunt.

That gravel gives me the heebie jeebies too. First time at the range I had my 58 in a cheap shoulder holster. I bent over to pick up some other peoples trash and the retaining strap wasn't fastened. Maybe 6 rocks on the whole range and 5 of them were under the gun. The scratch made me sick but at least now I stopped babying it and it gets shot as often as I can afford ammo for it. I really need to set my reloading bench back up.
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Old September 29, 2011, 09:07 PM   #23
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I don't think I ever bought more than two boxes of factory fodder for my .41,couldn't afford them at $28 a box back then. Over the last 20 years or so they have all been hand loads.
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Old September 29, 2011, 11:01 PM   #24
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They are extraordinary and reliable revolvers. I had one for years as a bear gun. Keep it and enjoy it. I wish I still had mine. Handload for it if you can.
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Old September 30, 2011, 07:49 AM   #25
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Magnas don't fit my paws at all , so my M-58 got a set of Ahrends Boot Grips.



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