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Old August 28, 2011, 03:39 PM   #1
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.45 ACP Powder Suggestion

Hello gang I shot my FNP-45 today for the first time with some reloads and the results were mixed. I used Berry's 230gr FMJ and used my Hornady book to come up with some different loads. Using Titegroup and the info posted in my book I came up with a starting weight of 4.3gr. So I loaded some rounds in 4.3gr 4.5gr and 4.8gr with the COL set to 1.23 as the book said. Well the 4.3gr were terrible multiple FTE and stovepipes and tons of unburnt powder. Stepping up to the 4.5 was better, but there was occasional FTE there too. Now the 4.8gr was really good, so I'm thinking the optimum load using Titegroup will be around 4.7gr to 4.8gr. They only problem I have with Titegroup is that it seems to burn so quickly and it's very snappy. I was wondering if you fine folks can recommend me a powder that doesn't feel like that. My thoughts were to try Bullseye or HP-38 maybe even some Win 231. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Old August 28, 2011, 04:03 PM   #2
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Bullseye is faster than Titegroup, so I doubt you will see it as an improvement if you think Titegroup is too fast. I use a lot of Bullseye, so I won't try to talk you out of it. Unique might work for you, or possibly AA#5, I've had good results from both. HP38/231 (IIRC they are the same powder with different labels) have a loyal following, so they might be worth your effort. I haven't tried them myself.
Edit: 4.6 gr of Bullseye w/ 230 gr cast or plated is my go to load as well. I have thrown together some 6.0 of Unique w/230 plated lately. Both loads shoot very much alike.
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Old August 28, 2011, 04:03 PM   #3
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The only load I've ever used for .45 ACP is 4.6 grains of Bullseye under a 230 grain bullet, either jacketed ball or my cast lead. It's worked great for me for lots of years and I've never felt the inclination to try anything else.
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Old August 28, 2011, 04:05 PM   #4
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Bullseye or Hodgdon's Universal. (Green Dot and American Select should be really good too, but they are hard to measure with some powder throwers.)

Maybe you already know this but it doesn't look like it; 231 and HP38 are identical now. So buy whichever one is cheaper that day, and there's no reason to buy both.
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Old August 28, 2011, 04:24 PM   #5
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I guess it's the HP38/WIN231 next. I have a friend that uses Bullseye exclusively so maybe I'll grab a little from him and try it out.
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Old August 28, 2011, 04:50 PM   #6
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I'm using 4.8 grains of Red Dot and it seems alright. I've also used Unique, Blue Dot and 231. I have a lot of Red Dot currently...
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Old August 28, 2011, 04:51 PM   #7
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I use mostly W231 and it seems to do a fine job.
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Old August 28, 2011, 04:59 PM   #8
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I like W231 and IMR SR4756 for hot loads.

I have a bunch of Red Dot on hand and I'm planning to start using it up with cast bullet loads. Red Dot is dirtier than the other powders I use but so what, I use Ed's Red to clean my guns...

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Old August 28, 2011, 05:07 PM   #9
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I'd say that there are 3 ranges of powder for the 45acp that give optimum performance at different velocity points.
  1. The Super Fast - Bullseye, TiteGroup,Clays,AA#2, etc. Perfect powders for lower velocity target loads. Best powders for double charges.
  2. The Mediums - Unique, Universal, Power Pistol, AA#5, Silhouette, True Blue, etc. These powders give very high velocities when loaded at the top-end of their range but don't perform very well when downloaded to poofter-load levels. Hard to double-charge.
  3. The Slows - LongShot, AA#7, etc. - These only work when loaded to the max and give the absolute highest velocities per unit pressure. Impossible to double-charge.

So I guess you have to figure out what you want to do.
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Old August 28, 2011, 05:32 PM   #10
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Clays

I use Clays with the 230gr LRN[3.8gr Clays]. That would be the same charge if I used Berry's plated bullets. MV avgs 760fps over the screens. VERY accurate and clean burning. But as previous poster mentioned, it is easy to double charge. Just use caution. It is tho, a very good load.
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Old August 28, 2011, 05:58 PM   #11
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231/hp38

Try trap 100.... oh wait discontinued...that was my favorite!!!
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Old August 28, 2011, 06:38 PM   #12
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If you get exotic buring with the same load of powder, you might try switching to Magnum primers with the same load.
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Old August 28, 2011, 07:42 PM   #13
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I started out loading .45acp using W231. Since then I have used Bullseye, Unique and Green Dot. All work well.
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Old August 28, 2011, 07:52 PM   #14
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231 works best for me because I haven't tried anything else, haven't seen the need. I used so much of it in .38 that I always had some on hand. Quite honestly BE is probably a better powder for both but 231 is cleaner and seems to shoot just as well.
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Old August 28, 2011, 07:53 PM   #15
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Win 231 is all I use for 45 auto. Very accurate. Most loadbooks list as most accurate load.
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Old August 28, 2011, 07:58 PM   #16
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i find clays to be cheap and effective. it's my go-to 45 powder.
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Old August 28, 2011, 07:59 PM   #17
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I've tried W231 and WST, but see no real need to switch from my primary handgun powder... UNIQUE!
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Old August 28, 2011, 08:28 PM   #18
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Hi-Skor 800X will work. Thoguh it does not meter worth a crap from a volumeteric measure. When hand weighed and used it gives good velocities. I have some, and have not used it due to it not metering well. I have better things to do than hand weigh 500 charges for pistol shooting.
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Old August 28, 2011, 09:05 PM   #19
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I kinda like W231, about 5.4 gr.
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Old August 28, 2011, 10:12 PM   #20
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Old August 28, 2011, 10:13 PM   #21
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I switched from Titegroup to WST. WST is a lot cleaner and more accurate for me. I using it with 200 grain LSWC's.
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Old August 28, 2011, 10:23 PM   #22
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I switched from Titegroup to WST. WST is a lot cleaner and more accurate for me. I using it with 200 grain LSWC's.

That's true... WST is the absolute cleanest powder I've ever used in the .45, and is proabably the hot ticket with the 200grn bullets... I just couldn't match the velocity of the 230's and Unique without maxing the charge.
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Old August 28, 2011, 10:30 PM   #23
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W231 handles all my light to moderate .45 loads quite well.
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Old August 29, 2011, 11:54 AM   #24
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HS-6, it uses more powder but its most accurate for me with 230 gr Hornady FMJ. I use Titegroup for 185 gr XTPs. It works better on the lighter bullets.
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Old August 29, 2011, 12:23 PM   #25
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I switched from Titegroup to WST. WST is a lot cleaner and more accurate for me. I using it with 200 grain LSWC's.
+1 for WST and 200 grain LSWC. I have used bullseye and Unique with Berry's plated 230 grain bullets.
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