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Old August 17, 2011, 09:27 AM   #1
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1911 takedown

A question for you 1911 afficianados out there. How many of you guys that own custom/semi custom 1911's take them down via the alternative method of not screwing with a tight bushing/bushing wrench but but moving the slide out of battery to push the link pin out as a first move and then removing entire slide/bbl off? I gotta admit once you learn a proper grip holding slide/frame it seems a whole lot easier.
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Old August 17, 2011, 12:17 PM   #2
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Yes, my first procedure is to hold the gun in a claw like grip in one hand...that an old armorer showed me ...and push out the slide release ...as my first part removed.

To me its the simpliest and easiest way to start taking the gun down ( and I use it on all my 1911's - Wilsons, Baer, Brown, Kimber, etc....) ....it isn't something I reserve for just better guns...
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Old August 17, 2011, 01:17 PM   #3
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I've gotta agree it's pretty easy. What prompted the question, however, is that this year I got a Baer PII and Les Baer actually states that this is the way his guns should be broken down, less bushing wear, etc,etc. This was the first time I'd seen it referenced as the prefferred way. My series 70 GC bushing requires no tool, Kimber Eclipse Target can barely get it turned without wrench but that Baer has one very tight bushing. Yeah the grip is, I guess, same as the Glock Grasp.
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Old August 17, 2011, 01:29 PM   #4
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I don't know anything about a Glock Grasp ....it would just give me hives ...

...but yes, Baer makes his guns very tight / I have a 5" Monolith that he made for me a few yrs ago ....and after 10,000 rds or so ...its still tight ....maybe too tight .../ but its how he believes his guns should be made.

Yes, I agree - its the easiest way to take a 1911 down.../ at least for me / but then I have hands the size of baseball gloves too ...
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Old August 17, 2011, 01:42 PM   #5
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Yes, I take all of mine down that way. Didn't actually start using that method 'till I got a bull-barrel (ie no bushing) 1911, but every since that's my way.
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Old August 17, 2011, 02:13 PM   #6
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I don't think I've ever used a bushing wrench to take a 1911 down.
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Old August 17, 2011, 07:24 PM   #7
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Yes, I field strip my 1911s by removing the slide stop first and taking the slide off the frame before taking the recoil spring, bushing, etc. off. Easier, IMO.
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Old August 17, 2011, 09:46 PM   #8
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My first military instructor taught me to depress the plug, rotate the bushing, etc., etc.

Later, another showed me how to remove the slide stop and take it down that way.

I cannot for the life of me remember why I was informed that the second way was hard on the gun, . . . but that is the mental image I have imbedded between the ears.

Be gentle, . . . remember, this all happend over 40 years ago

That is why I still depress the plug,.........................

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Old August 17, 2011, 09:46 PM   #9
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Old August 18, 2011, 08:49 PM   #10
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I don't think I've ever used a bushing wrench to take a 1911 down.
You would if you were field stripping a Baer, regardless of the slide being off the frame.
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Old August 19, 2011, 08:49 AM   #11
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^^^^^ Yes.
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Old August 19, 2011, 11:45 AM   #12
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I've heard the bushings in the Baer's can be a PITB.

I've not dealt with them and thats good info to know.

Do the bushings in the Baer's seem to loosen up after a few takedowns or is using a bushing wrench something that is just going to have to be done for the duration of ownership?
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Old August 19, 2011, 02:53 PM   #13
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I would not do it that way. However, if it works for you and it you can do it without damaging any parts...go for it. Flexibility is the name of the game and one can be as flexible as one dares, except when it comes to safety which demands rigidity.
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Old August 19, 2011, 05:05 PM   #14
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Baers "loosen up" just a bit but you'll probably always need a bushing wrench.
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Old August 19, 2011, 09:25 PM   #15
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Thanks KyJim.

Note to self:

If I ever get fortunate enough to get a Baer, DO NOT LOOSE BUSHING WRENCH"
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Old August 19, 2011, 09:47 PM   #16
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I guess I'm the odd man out, . . . I do the plug first, . . . rotate the bushing by hand, . . . and if I needed a wrench, . . . I'd probably find me a can of extra fine valve grinding compound, . . . and about 10 minutes and one wrench later, . . . I'd be moving it by hand.

It's kinda one of those things I demand, . . . weapons that can be field stripped with not much more than a thumb and / or a bullet.

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Old August 19, 2011, 09:53 PM   #17
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Dwight, I know several fella's that de-Baer their Baers pretty much that way. And I'll bet they shoot just as good too afterwards.
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Old August 20, 2011, 03:30 AM   #18
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Dwight55: "It's kinda one of those things I demand, . . . weapons that can be field stripped with not much more than a thumb and / or a bullet."

Amen to that. I don't care to take a tool kit every where I go.
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Old August 20, 2011, 09:13 PM   #19
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I never did it that way until I got a Springer 3" micro-compact with an FLGR.
After I broke it down that way a few times I started breaking my government
models down that way too. It just seems simpler to me to do it that way.

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Old September 1, 2011, 01:06 PM   #20
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Seems you usually only need the bushing tool if your weapon has a full length guide rod
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Old September 1, 2011, 02:06 PM   #21
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Nope most of the Baer's don't use them, good old fashioned spring plunger under the bushing.
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Old September 1, 2011, 03:30 PM   #22
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I don't do the pop-the-slide-stop-first technique, as I don't want a) dirty, greasy oil all over my hand, and b) my recoil spring and guide to go *SPROING* across the room if I don't get a perfect grip on them as the slide comes off. Even if I did take it off that way, compressing the spring and holding it against the barrel as I try to thread the slide back on it a pain. I turn the bushing first to take it down, and turn the bushing last when putting it back together.
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Old September 1, 2011, 11:11 PM   #23
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I hate launching the recoil spring plug or the spring, so I usually remove those first.

Searching around shelving units for a half hour taught me something!
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Old September 2, 2011, 11:34 AM   #24
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All good 1911 owners have shot themselves in the chest with the recoil spring plug at some point.
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Old September 4, 2011, 08:15 PM   #25
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m1911

The 1911 wasn't my issue weapon in the Corps since I never got beyond E-4 but of coarse I fired it-and have 2 of them now.Never even heard of using a wrench-DI's would have called you a p**sy puke if you'd said you needed a "wrench" to field strip your weapon.
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