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Old July 16, 2011, 07:26 PM   #1
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Webley or Enfield

I've gotten the yearning for a Webley or a Enfield. Who has one and how do you like it? What caliber would you recommend? Lets see some W & E
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Old July 16, 2011, 07:39 PM   #2
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What Webley, what Enfield? If you mean the WWII Enfield Revolver No. 2 and the substitute standard Webley Mk IV, the only ammo is .380 Revolver No. 2, or .38 S&W (not Special and not .380 ACP auto pistol). The Webley Mk IV was made for civilian use in .32, but those made for the government were only in .38.

IMHO, the Enfield is a better military revolver, but the Webleys are better made. The Enfield was also made as a DAO with no hammer spur and no full cock notch in the hammer.

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Old July 16, 2011, 10:21 PM   #3
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Get a Webley like mine!



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Old July 16, 2011, 10:44 PM   #4
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It depends on what you want.

If it comes down to calibers, I don't think Enfields were made in .455 Webley, so if you want the bigger bullet, get the Webley. However, avoid those converted to fire .45 ACP. I've heard stories of failures on those conversions.

I'm unsure if Enfields were made in 22 LR like some Webleys were.

One day, if I find one cheap enough, I might buy an Enfield if it came with the hammer block sliding safety.
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Old July 16, 2011, 11:35 PM   #5
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the Enfield Mk. 1 & 2 were chambered for the .476. Don't think the OP was thinking of these though
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Old July 16, 2011, 11:53 PM   #6
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.455 ammo can be fired in the .476 revolver.

As long as you use black powder .455 loads.
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Old July 17, 2011, 12:29 AM   #7
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caliber

I think I would just stay in the .38 S&W caliber. Civvy or Warfinish. Just a plinker to play with when me and my buds BBQ!

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Old July 17, 2011, 07:19 AM   #8
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I like the old black powder .455 Weblys myself.


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Old July 18, 2011, 03:12 AM   #9
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.38/200

Another pic - WWII issue - a good shooter and ammo is relatively easy to find though it won't be the 200 grain service load.
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Old July 18, 2011, 06:33 AM   #10
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Webley or Enfield
Webley or Enfield
Webley or Enfield

Webley or Enfield

Webley or Enfield

Take the time and do more research.
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Old July 18, 2011, 07:06 AM   #11
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8shot: Done that, just wanting to know what owner's have and their opinion.
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Old July 18, 2011, 07:34 AM   #12
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8shot: Done that
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Old July 18, 2011, 06:39 PM   #13
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FWIW, even though the guns and cartridges are often called the ".38/200", they weren't. The American "manstopper" 200-grain lead bullet was tested, but could not be used in combat; the load for the .380 Revolver cartridge, Mk II was a 178 grain jacketed bullet. The bullet diameter of the 178 grain bullets I have "miked" is .357"-.358", the same as .38 Special, not .360" or .380" or some other size.

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Old July 18, 2011, 07:11 PM   #14
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FWIW, even though the guns and cartridges are often called the ".38/200", they weren't. The American "manstopper" 200-grain lead bullet was tested, but could not be used in combat; the load for the .380 Revolver cartridge, Mk II was a 178 grain jacketed bullet. The bullet diameter of the 178 grain bullets I have "miked" is .357"-.358", the same as .38 Special, not .360" or .380" or some other size.
A 200gr LRN was originally adopted and issued, but it was replaced with the 178gr Mk IIz cartridge due to concerns over the Hauge Convention before WWII ever broke out. I suspect that all the remaining Mk. I cartridges with LRN bullets were either shot up for training purposes or issued to "home guard" units.

As to the bullets you pulled being .357-.358" diameter, I can buy that as my own Webley Mk. IV is quite accurate with my handloads using a 158gr .358" LSWC although the POI is a bit low (though not nearly as bad as Remington 145gr LRN factory ammo). Eventually, I'll get some heavier .358" cast bullets and see if I can bring the POI more in line with the POA (I notice Midway has some 190gr .358" cast bullets from Hunter's Supply).
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Old July 19, 2011, 05:32 AM   #15
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size

About size of bullets. My best accuracy results trying to duplicate the .38/200 have been using Lyman's 358430 bullet which drops from the mold weighing 195 grains at .360" and the NEI bullet 149a which duplicates the weight and profile of the 200 grain service bullet.
It mikes at .362".
The barrel of my Webley, pictured earlier, slugs at .362".
Three bullets:
The Lyman of the left, the NEI on the right and a 140 grain LSWC from a CBE mold at .362".

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Old July 19, 2011, 06:11 AM   #16
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Some British troops were issued the 200-gr. lead bullet ammo for use in France during the early months of the war because that's pretty much all that was avaialble.
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