New 12GA Shotgun

BuzzGun · July 16, 2011, 10:19 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmSfC4G0sT4
Not Bad Looking

pabuckslayer08 · July 16, 2011, 11:23 AM

2 major flaws in the weapon, 1 being I would always drop the magazine with the push button right on the trigger guard and 2 it woud make me broke from all the shells I would shoot

zippy13 · July 16, 2011, 12:12 PM

Not Bad Looking

You're entitled to your own opinion, but it's the least aesthetically pleasing shotgun I've ever seen. I'm curious to know what you consider a less attractive shotgun.

oneounceload · July 16, 2011, 12:21 PM

Another black plastic zombie gun.....BARF

**hogdogs** · July 16, 2011, 12:47 PM

wow-wee...
Neato!
Uber Awesome even...

Brent

Slugo · July 16, 2011, 01:00 PM

just another worthless POS!!

BuzzGun · July 16, 2011, 02:28 PM

Zippy13

Whats The best Looking 12 , InYour Opinion ?

zippy13 · July 16, 2011, 03:00 PM

BuzzGun,
The question isn't what's the best looking shotgun, but what's not bad looking -- I've seen too many fine guns to select a single best looking gun. I tend to favor the Italian designs for form and function. In my professional opinion, here's an example of a not bad looking shotgun:

pabuckslayer08 · July 16, 2011, 03:03 PM

As pretty as the wood is on that gun Zip the O/U just takes away from the overall appearence of the gun, they just stand out and dont appear as slim and sleak as a semi does. Heres a link to my weapon for looks.
http://www.berettausa.com/al391-tekn...-sportingaspx/

TheKlawMan · July 16, 2011, 03:10 PM

Not bad looking, perhaps, but not good looking. Fine for urban combat but not for me.

JWT · July 16, 2011, 03:11 PM

Why would anyone want that gun. Just plain ugleee IMO. Zippy has the right idea off what's good looking. Gotta have nice wood and be blued to be pleasing to my eye.

zippy13 · July 16, 2011, 03:17 PM

pabuckslayer08
Yep, it's not bad looking, too. However, I've always thought that extended chokes, especially when in a contrasting finish, look like an afterthought. They negate any essence of "sleekness" that a stick gun may have had.

TheKlawMan · July 16, 2011, 03:17 PM

Pabuckslayer: How is this for a slim ans sleek gun probably from your state?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39098267@N02/3595835696/

pabuckslayer08 · July 16, 2011, 03:24 PM

Thats sweet buddy, 36cal too. I bet that thing shoot amazing or havnt you ever shot it? Probably worth a pretty penny these days

pabuckslayer08 · July 16, 2011, 03:25 PM

I seen in your caption you think it could possibly be cut down from a full stock, what leads you to believe this. That would be odd if that was the case

pabuckslayer08 · July 16, 2011, 03:27 PM

You are right Zippy about the ext. chokes on these guns, they appear as a after thought and do take away but to me they give you more options for the gun. If I were to spend 5k on a gun I would want them that way I could use it for more than just one sport. But thats just me

zippy13 · July 16, 2011, 03:37 PM

Pabuckslayer08,
That O/U P-gun is my only one with screw-ins (flush Brileys in the barrels and tubes) my others have fixed skeet chokes (standard and Tula).

TheKlawMan · July 16, 2011, 04:04 PM

PA, I will send you a PM about the black powder rifle, as it is really beyond the scope of the thread.

oneounceload · July 16, 2011, 04:27 PM

If you look at guns with choke tubes, you see barrel ends that are swaged out to accommodate the tubes - very ugly and messing with the balance and MOI.

Zippy's pic is close to ideal (the gun make is IMO), although I would also have to include his former partner, Ivo. Then there is the Flodman, Bertuzzi, and a whole plethora of SxS makers

Plastic works fine for soda bottles, not shotguns

chasep255 · July 16, 2011, 04:34 PM

I want one. To bad I'm in NJ.

Slugo · July 16, 2011, 04:41 PM

not that black plastic crap from Toys are Us...

kozak6 · July 16, 2011, 07:14 PM

Hmm. It looks almost like a Saiga with a mag well, a BHO, and a bolt release button.

Also, it's interesting that everyone was messing in their pants about the Akdal MKA 1919, but this one is scorned by everyone.

God n Guns · July 19, 2011, 01:27 AM

I don't think this is an awful gun or anything like that. I would, however, suggest you check out the (now extremely popular since the TV show "Sons of Guns") outfit Red Jacket Firearms. They do some great shotguns in "the spirit" of what you have picked here- from .410 on up, "AK-style", suppressed, folding stock or even a crazy looking but manageable little 12 gauge almost-handgun. You are sure to find something there up your alley if you like the gun in this youtube.
Personally, I'm more inclined toward the classic looks and feels. I will say that watching "Sons of Guns" and checking out Red Jacket's site has very much impressed me in general- but specifically in regard to these shotguns such as their extremely popular "AK-style" and the small, folding stock tacticals as well. One thing you can be sure of is excellent quality and attention to detail. When a guy decides to make guns because (in his words) "they weren't making stuff well enough for me" ... it makes one at least want to see if he really did achieve a level of quality that such a statement indicates. It seems he and his excellent employees have done just that.

AND THEY LOVE SHOTGUNS.

.300 Weatherby Mag · July 19, 2011, 02:41 AM

Slugo,

Do you own that one?? Or are you just teasing us again??

Slugo · July 19, 2011, 02:57 AM

No, I don't own that one...

July 16, 2011, 10:19 AM	#1
BuzzGun Junior Member Join Date: April 28, 2011 Posts: 14	New 12GA Shotgun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmSfC4G0sT4 Not Bad Looking

July 16, 2011, 12:47 PM	#5
hogdogs Staff Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 10,720	wow-wee... Neato! Uber Awesome even... Brent __________________ Finally have designs going up in the Hogdogs Outdoor Apparel online store. http://www.cafepress.com/hogdogsoutdoorapparel Thanks for lookin'...

July 16, 2011, 01:00 PM	#6
Slugo Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Central PA Posts: 948	just another worthless POS!! __________________ *Sometimes wrong, but never in doubt...*

July 16, 2011, 04:34 PM	#20
chasep255 Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2009 Location: NJ :( Posts: 685	I want one. To bad I'm in NJ. __________________ I have mostly non-sporting firearms In NJ, technically speaking, ALL guns are illegal Also in my state there is such thing as a Class III BB gun :barf: Happy to say that despite the NJ AWB I still manage to make my guns look scary

July 16, 2011, 04:41 PM	#21
Slugo Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Central PA Posts: 948	this is a beautiful shotgun... not that black plastic crap from Toys are Us... __________________ *Sometimes wrong, but never in doubt...*

July 16, 2011, 11:23 AM	#2
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	2 major flaws in the weapon, 1 being I would always drop the magazine with the push button right on the trigger guard and 2 it woud make me broke from all the shells I would shoot

July 16, 2011, 12:12 PM	#3
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,289	Not Bad Looking You're entitled to your own opinion, but it's the least aesthetically pleasing shotgun I've ever seen. I'm curious to know what you consider a less attractive shotgun.

July 16, 2011, 12:21 PM	#4
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Another black plastic zombie gun.....BARF

July 16, 2011, 02:28 PM	#7
BuzzGun Junior Member Join Date: April 28, 2011 Posts: 14	Zippy13 Whats The best Looking 12 , InYour Opinion ?

July 16, 2011, 03:00 PM	#8
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,289	BuzzGun, The question isn't what's the best looking shotgun, but what's not bad looking -- I've seen too many fine guns to select a single best looking gun. I tend to favor the Italian designs for form and function. In my professional opinion, here's an example of a not bad looking shotgun:

July 16, 2011, 03:03 PM	#9
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	As pretty as the wood is on that gun Zip the O/U just takes away from the overall appearence of the gun, they just stand out and dont appear as slim and sleak as a semi does. Heres a link to my weapon for looks. http://www.berettausa.com/al391-tekn...-sportingaspx/

July 16, 2011, 03:10 PM	#10
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,150	Not bad looking, perhaps, but not good looking. Fine for urban combat but not for me.

July 16, 2011, 03:11 PM	#11
JWT Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,856	Why would anyone want that gun. Just plain ugleee IMO. Zippy has the right idea off what's good looking. Gotta have nice wood and be blued to be pleasing to my eye.

July 16, 2011, 03:17 PM	#12
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,289	pabuckslayer08 Yep, it's not bad looking, too. However, I've always thought that extended chokes, especially when in a contrasting finish, look like an afterthought. They negate any essence of "sleekness" that a stick gun may have had.

July 16, 2011, 03:24 PM	#14
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	Thats sweet buddy, 36cal too. I bet that thing shoot amazing or havnt you ever shot it? Probably worth a pretty penny these days

July 16, 2011, 03:25 PM	#15
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	I seen in your caption you think it could possibly be cut down from a full stock, what leads you to believe this. That would be odd if that was the case

July 16, 2011, 03:27 PM	#16
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	You are right Zippy about the ext. chokes on these guns, they appear as a after thought and do take away but to me they give you more options for the gun. If I were to spend 5k on a gun I would want them that way I could use it for more than just one sport. But thats just me

July 16, 2011, 03:37 PM	#17
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,289	Pabuckslayer08, That O/U P-gun is my only one with screw-ins (flush Brileys in the barrels and tubes) my others have fixed skeet chokes (standard and Tula).

July 16, 2011, 04:04 PM	#18
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,150	PA, I will send you a PM about the black powder rifle, as it is really beyond the scope of the thread.

July 16, 2011, 04:27 PM	#19
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	If you look at guns with choke tubes, you see barrel ends that are swaged out to accommodate the tubes - very ugly and messing with the balance and MOI. Zippy's pic is close to ideal (the gun make is IMO), although I would also have to include his former partner, Ivo. Then there is the Flodman, Bertuzzi, and a whole plethora of SxS makers Plastic works fine for soda bottles, not shotguns

July 16, 2011, 07:14 PM	#22
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 2,280	Hmm. It looks almost like a Saiga with a mag well, a BHO, and a bolt release button. Also, it's interesting that everyone was messing in their pants about the Akdal MKA 1919, but this one is scorned by everyone.

July 19, 2011, 01:27 AM	#23
God n Guns Junior Member Join Date: July 19, 2011 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1	I don't think this is an awful gun or anything like that. I would, however, suggest you check out the (now extremely popular since the TV show "Sons of Guns") outfit Red Jacket Firearms. They do some great shotguns in "the spirit" of what you have picked here- from .410 on up, "AK-style", suppressed, folding stock or even a crazy looking but manageable little 12 gauge almost-handgun. You are sure to find something there up your alley if you like the gun in this youtube. Personally, I'm more inclined toward the classic looks and feels. I will say that watching "Sons of Guns" and checking out Red Jacket's site has very much impressed me in general- but specifically in regard to these shotguns such as their extremely popular "AK-style" and the small, folding stock tacticals as well. One thing you can be sure of is excellent quality and attention to detail. When a guy decides to make guns because (in his words) "they weren't making stuff well enough for me" ... it makes one at least want to see if he really did achieve a level of quality that such a statement indicates. It seems he and his excellent employees have done just that. AND THEY LOVE SHOTGUNS. __________________ http://thumbnails28.imagebam.com/121...6121452067.jpg

July 19, 2011, 02:41 AM	#24
.300 Weatherby Mag Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2008 Posts: 1,711	Slugo, Do you own that one?? Or are you just teasing us again??

July 19, 2011, 02:57 AM	#25
Slugo Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Central PA Posts: 948	No, I don't own that one... __________________ *Sometimes wrong, but never in doubt...*