The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Handguns: The Semi-automatic Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 24, 2011, 10:28 AM   #1
aarondhgraham
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2009
Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma
Posts: 7,226
EAA Witness 9mm/.22 LR combo,,,

A friend of mine is in love with my CZ-75B in 9mm,,,
as well as my CZ-75B Kadet in .22 LR.

But he is reluctant to spend the $1,100.00 for the pair,,,
Something about wanting his kids to have three meals a day,,,
I keep telling him they would be fine with two meals a day but he is adamant.

I don't know where this man gets his priorities.

Anyways, I stumbled on a mention of the EAA Witness 9mm/.22 LR Combo,,,
This is much more in his price range without starving his kids.

Does anyone have any experience with this combo?,,,
It looks interesting to me.

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Aarond

P.S. Is it true that the EAA Witness is a CZ-75B clone?

.
__________________
Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once.
Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it?
Combat: "A Silent Cry"
Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)
aarondhgraham is offline  
Old June 24, 2011, 10:51 AM   #2
mesinge2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 2, 2011
Posts: 106
The Witness is a CZ-75 clone but the frame is built around the 45 and they just change the top end for the various calibers. It will be tough on people with small hands. With that said, its a great gun for the $$$. Accurate, reliable, and very low recoil as the weapon is quite heavy.

__________________
"There are three and only three ways to reform our Congressional legislation, familiarly called, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box".
- Stephen Decatur Miller (May 8, 1787 – March 8, 1838)
mesinge2 is offline  
Old June 24, 2011, 10:55 AM   #3
TunnelRat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 22, 2011
Posts: 4,681
Why not get the CZ 75B and the Kadet conversion kit?

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/31192

That should bring the cost down to less than $900.
__________________
Guns don't kill people. Apes with guns kill people! - Robin Williams
TunnelRat is offline  
Old June 24, 2011, 11:08 AM   #4
aarondhgraham
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2009
Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma
Posts: 7,226
Hello TunnelRat,,,

Quote:
Why not get the CZ 75B and the Kadet conversion kit?
That should bring the cost down to less than $900.
I did mention that to him,,,
But again it has something to do,,,
With those pesky kids being hungry all the time.

But seriously though,,,
My buddy doesn't have much extra disposable cash,,,
It would probably take him 10 months to come up with a spare $397.00 for the Witness.

If the Witness is a quality gun I would probably front him the price,,,
And allow him to pay me back at $20.00 a paycheck.

I did this for the 10/22 he purchased for his boys,,,
He never missed a payment and I never had to ask for it.

And occasionally his wife will feed me.

Aarond
__________________
Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once.
Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it?
Combat: "A Silent Cry"
Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)
aarondhgraham is offline  
Old June 24, 2011, 11:12 AM   #5
aarondhgraham
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2009
Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma
Posts: 7,226
Hello mesinge2,,,

Thanks for the info,,,
Nice pic too.

Aarond
__________________
Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once.
Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it?
Combat: "A Silent Cry"
Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)
aarondhgraham is offline  
Old June 24, 2011, 11:13 AM   #6
overkill0084
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 7, 2010
Location: Northern, UT
Posts: 1,162
FWIW, the Witness is probably closer to being a CZ97 clone as far as size goes. As far as Witness quality goes, I have found my Witness Match to be reliable & accurate. Looks good too.
I haven't tried the EAA .22 conversion, however.
__________________
Cheers,
Greg
“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child – miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.” — P.J. O’Rourke
overkill0084 is offline  
Old June 27, 2011, 09:59 AM   #7
aarondhgraham
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2009
Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma
Posts: 7,226
So, good reviews on the witness,,,

But no experiences with the .22 converter.

I was really hoping someone out there had one.

I just noticed they had a .45/.22 combo kit as well.

Aarond
__________________
Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once.
Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it?
Combat: "A Silent Cry"
Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)
aarondhgraham is offline  
Old June 27, 2011, 11:29 AM   #8
mavracer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 27, 2008
Location: midwest
Posts: 3,088
The CZ conversion is going to be (at least mechanicly) more accurate due to the sights and barrel being one piece.
Look here at the difference between the standard and target versions of AA's 1911 conversions to get a picture of what I'm talking about.

That said the Witness combo is hard to beat economicly. If your not going to shoot competativly I'm sure the Witness 22 is good enough to kill soda cans.

ETA most of the conversions like the Witness will require the hotter 22 fodder to cycle right
__________________
rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
Quote:
originally posted my Mike Irwin
My handguns are are for one purpose only, though...
The starter gun on the "Fat man's mad dash tactical retreat."
mavracer is offline  
Old June 27, 2011, 02:56 PM   #9
Aguila Blanca
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 25, 2008
Location: CONUS
Posts: 6,694
I didn't know about this EAA Witness convertible, and it looks very interesting.

What's the availability and cost for spare magazines, in both calibers? For the 9mm, does it accept standard CZ-75 mags?
Aguila Blanca is offline  
Old June 27, 2011, 03:31 PM   #10
aarondhgraham
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2009
Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma
Posts: 7,226
Hello Aquila, mesinge2, & mavracer,,,

Hey Aquila,,,

Mags are available through the EAA website,,,
Looks like 2 for $50 or 3 for $75,,,
Not a bargain but not bad.

I do not know whether CZ mags would fit or not,,,
Being a betting man I would wager $1.00 that they won't fit.

Hey mesinge2,,,

Thanks for posting the pic of your Witness.
I noticed on the grips it says Tangfolio.

They are the original manufacturer?
EAA is only the importer?

Hey mavracer,,,

I can attest to the CZ-Kadet's accuracy,,,
Mine is capable of much more than I can wring out of it.

I know that for a fact as two of my range friends,,,
Regularly use it to whip me like a red-headed step-child.

Like I've said many times before,,,
I ain't no Annie Oakley.

One of you guys needs to buy one from Buds,,,
Then post an honest review in this forum,,,
C'mon now, you know you want one.

Aarond

.
__________________
Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once.
Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it?
Combat: "A Silent Cry"
Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)
aarondhgraham is offline  
Old June 27, 2011, 06:58 PM   #11
mesinge2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 2, 2011
Posts: 106
aarondhgraham you are correct sir. Tangfolio actually makes the guns and EAA is only the importer.
__________________
"There are three and only three ways to reform our Congressional legislation, familiarly called, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box".
- Stephen Decatur Miller (May 8, 1787 – March 8, 1838)
mesinge2 is offline  
Old June 30, 2011, 04:45 PM   #12
aarondhgraham
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2009
Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma
Posts: 7,226
Any reviews on Tangfolio/Witness pistols?

I'm just bumping this back to the top,,,
Maybe some folk can give me opinions on the Witness alone.

Aarond
__________________
Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once.
Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it?
Combat: "A Silent Cry"
Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)
aarondhgraham is offline  
Old June 30, 2011, 06:09 PM   #13
mavracer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 27, 2008
Location: midwest
Posts: 3,088
I've had a couple a 9mm and a 10mm both compacts. With the larger grip of the EAA (than a CZ). The DA reach is just a bit much for my short fingers. They both shot great. I took it easy on the 10 cause of the horror stories. I ended up selling both. I've replaced the 10 with a 1076 Smith and have a CZ85 combat so I don't miss the Witness. Although if I ever find an elite match 38 super with no raail and the old bomar style rear sight It's mine.
__________________
rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
Quote:
originally posted my Mike Irwin
My handguns are are for one purpose only, though...
The starter gun on the "Fat man's mad dash tactical retreat."
mavracer is offline  
Old July 7, 2011, 04:23 PM   #14
Wildalaska
Junior member
 
Join Date: November 25, 2002
Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska
Posts: 14,174
There are better but you could do worse. I'd try for a used 75 first.

WildgoodluckAlaska ™©2002-2011
Wildalaska is offline  
Old July 7, 2011, 09:33 PM   #15
chris in va
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 26, 2004
Location: Louisville KY
Posts: 12,649
I wanted something like my 75BD but in 45 and bought a Witness. Big mistake. Stick with CZ.
chris in va is offline  
Old July 8, 2011, 01:19 AM   #16
C0untZer0
Junior member
 
Join Date: April 21, 2011
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,555
How accurate is the Kadet?

And how close is the trigger to the CZ 75B SA ?
C0untZer0 is offline  
Old July 8, 2011, 07:47 AM   #17
aarondhgraham
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2009
Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma
Posts: 7,226
Hello C0untZer0,,,

The Kadet pistol is more accurate than I am,,,
I know this because I let other people shoot it on occasion.

One lady at my range shoots Rimfire Steel Challenge,,,
I loaned it to her for a match one weekend,,,
She did almost as well with the Kadet,,,
As with her tricked out Ruger Mk-II,,,
I was her loader for the stages.

Another gentleman who shoots Bullseye competitions,,,
Ran 3 mags of cheap bulk pack through it,,,
He was impressed and bought one.

I've never shot a 75B SA so I can't answer your question directly,,,
I really can't feel any difference between it and my 9mm 75B.
In SA mode though the trigger on both seems crisp to me.

Aarond
__________________
Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once.
Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it?
Combat: "A Silent Cry"
Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)
aarondhgraham is offline  
Old July 8, 2011, 09:15 AM   #18
mavracer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 27, 2008
Location: midwest
Posts: 3,088
Found one I belive it's a predisessor to the elite match. I'll post a range report when I get it.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=238436865
__________________
rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
Quote:
originally posted my Mike Irwin
My handguns are are for one purpose only, though...
The starter gun on the "Fat man's mad dash tactical retreat."
mavracer is offline  
Old July 8, 2011, 10:25 AM   #19
overkill0084
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 7, 2010
Location: Northern, UT
Posts: 1,162
Quote:
I wanted something like my 75BD but in 45 and bought a Witness. Big mistake. Stick with CZ.
Same situation as me. However, I'm quite happy with mine.
__________________
Cheers,
Greg
“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child – miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.” — P.J. O’Rourke
overkill0084 is offline  
Old July 8, 2011, 10:26 AM   #20
mesinge2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 2, 2011
Posts: 106
mavracer, nice choice!! The 38 Super is one of my favorite calibers.

I look forward to the range report.
__________________
"There are three and only three ways to reform our Congressional legislation, familiarly called, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box".
- Stephen Decatur Miller (May 8, 1787 – March 8, 1838)
mesinge2 is offline  
Old July 8, 2011, 10:46 AM   #21
C0untZer0
Junior member
 
Join Date: April 21, 2011
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,555
I keep having this reoccuring urge to get the CZ 75B SA and the Kadet pistol...
C0untZer0 is offline  
Old July 8, 2011, 10:52 AM   #22
C0untZer0
Junior member
 
Join Date: April 21, 2011
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,555
Wow - I went to CZ's site and found out that "The CZ 75 is quite possibly the perfect pistol."


The Kadet is DA/SA, I wish they made an SA only version.

I think there must me a difference in the trigger between the SA only and the DA/SA trigger pulled in SA.
C0untZer0 is offline  
Old July 8, 2011, 10:54 AM   #23
aarondhgraham
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2009
Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma
Posts: 7,226
Hey C0untZer0,,,

Lemme help ya,,,
Focus on the pocket watch,,,
Buy the guns,,, buy the guns,,, buy the guns.



You won't be happy until you do.

Aarond
__________________
Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once.
Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it?
Combat: "A Silent Cry"
Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)
aarondhgraham is offline  
Old July 8, 2011, 01:01 PM   #24
chris in va
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 26, 2004
Location: Louisville KY
Posts: 12,649
Addressing the DA/SA pull question...

I haven't tried the SAO version. That being said, my 75BD in SA mode has quite a bit of 'camming' where the hammer actually moves back a hair before releasing. It's not what I call crisp by a long shot, definitely has some takeup before release. You can actually feel the sear sliding. It's nothing a decent trigger job can't fix though, but just something to keep in mind.

I would also highly recommend you buy USED as the trigger will be lacking the grit feel of a new one.

Oh and the Kadet is quite the addition. Very accurate, and the most 'unpicky' 22 pistol I have ever seen. I can (and have) put anything I can get a hold of through this gem without issue. Keep an eye on the firing pin retainer plate though, mine got loose and the whole shebang went flying backward into the dirt one day. CZ sent out a new spring for free which seems to have fixed the glitch.
chris in va is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.12930 seconds with 9 queries