.223 + Varget = Garbage

B-RAD · June 21, 2011, 07:44 PM

lol

Hydrostatic Shock · June 21, 2011, 08:20 PM

Wow! I didn't realize we had such a .223 expert in the forum!

Cheers

DiscoRacing · June 21, 2011, 08:37 PM

maybe you should use Ramshot TAC then.

625cnd · June 21, 2011, 08:39 PM

Well, one needs a drop tube when you get charge weights over 26 grains or so. Varget contrary to the OP is one of the most versatile powders for the whole range of bulets from 40 to 90gr in the 223. Nothing but nothing comes even close. One has to accept that for lighter bullets one needs a drop tube, but then if someone was a seasoned reloader they would know that.

Obviously this person is not very seasoned!

Ozzieman · June 21, 2011, 09:03 PM

Obviously this person is not very seasoned!
+1
Just last weekend my Remington 700 in 223 with 68 gr Hornady GR BTHP with Varget held sub 1 MOA at 100 yards. Must have been a fluke.
Granted it took 6 different loads before I got there but that’s what load development is.
What’s the possibility that it’s the gun, or the shooter?

beex215 · June 21, 2011, 09:04 PM

he mus have blew up his gun and now has nothing to shoot.

hagar · June 21, 2011, 09:11 PM

Varget works best with heavy bullets, but then with your vast knowledge, you should have known that..

DiscoRacing · June 21, 2011, 09:25 PM

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Nothing but nothing comes even close

Oh really??!!

Very Interesting.

jhansman · June 21, 2011, 09:43 PM

Well, I could never get it to perform nearly as well as H322, but "garbage"?

lll Otto lll · June 21, 2011, 09:50 PM

He's a troll. Here's what he posted in another thread...

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Originally Posted by B-RAD

varget it garbage for .223 Rem... Don't waste your time... here I'll make a thread.. I like arguments

mikejonestkd · June 21, 2011, 10:05 PM

Wow, I never knew how bad Varget was till today.

Strange though, my cousin went to West point and took first place in the limited division with loads stuffed to the rim with varget. I should call him to tell him he could have done better....LOL

http://www.usma.edu/uscc/dca/clubs/guns/results.html

dahermit · June 21, 2011, 10:10 PM

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He's a troll. Here's what he posted in another thread...

Or he is a .223 shooter that has not had good luck working up an accurate load for his .223 and Varget. Maybe this is his way of starting a conversation that will lead to people posting their .223/Varget loads.
Posting that someone is a troll serves no purpose...we do not need someone to waste out time calling "troll".

mehavey · June 21, 2011, 10:16 PM

While I can't say it's "garbage :barf:," I have had my best heavy/77gr bullet luck with AA2520.

lll Otto lll · June 21, 2011, 10:20 PM

He started this thread/rant because in his words, "I like arguments".
He's a troll and I call them as I see them.

IllinoisCoyoteHunter · June 21, 2011, 10:42 PM

Until you post some pictures of targets and groups, your rants mean nothing. If you are so great at load development let's see some target pictures. Don't forget to wipe the unburnt powder off them.

I love threads that are started that have NO substance.

Jerry45 · June 21, 2011, 10:59 PM

Does this mean I need to throw away my 8 # can of Varget?

NAAH! I think I’ll shoot it.

Fullthrottle · June 21, 2011, 11:12 PM

"Does this mean I need to throw away my 8 # can of Varget? NAAH! I think I’ll shoot it."

Or you could donate it to me!

I would at least dispose of it properly...................Down range!

praetorian97 · June 22, 2011, 01:09 AM

I was able to hit clays at 100 yards with a red dot optic using 55FMJ BT 25.5 Varget in my AR.

B-RAD · June 22, 2011, 07:47 PM

lol

Blackops_2 · June 22, 2011, 09:13 PM

1/10th MOA groups

thats some serious stuff Mr. Berenger.

vladan · June 22, 2011, 09:22 PM

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Yes... That's right it's garbage, don't even bother replying to this thread. Varget will never ever be the most accurate powder when it comes to .223, most the time you can't even fit enough powder in the case or get a power thrower to throw it accurately...

Just forget VARGET for 0.223 will ya... if you "think" you have an accurate load with Varget and your .223... think again, and start to learn more about load development.

I fully agree with you buddy, here, I'll even help you to dispose that garbage, just sent it to me ...

wncchester · June 22, 2011, 09:35 PM

"Varget will never ever be the most accurate powder when it comes to .223, most the time you can't even fit enough powder in the case or get a power thrower to throw it accurately..."

Ah! The volunteered certain wisdom of a true expert who we must trust routinely obtains sub .010" groups, guess there's no more anyone needs to know about that! Wonder if ol' B-Rad has considered attending the Super Shoot with one of his garden variety .223 rifles, he could wipe 'em out easily! But, even "a power (?) thrower can't throw (Varget) accurately"! Who of us would have thought of that as an "accurate" powder criteria?

Still, I can't help but wonder if our new resident guru understands that powder burn rates must be matched to the cartridge and bullet so the perhaps the 'failure' of his Varget loads came from his poor initial choice. Or does he yet need to test one of the 4831s to find another and even more "inaccurate .223 powder"?

praetorian97 · June 22, 2011, 09:37 PM

Is B-Rad the whining Brad from Top Shot season one? ;-)

frumious · June 22, 2011, 09:39 PM

I wonder if the OP is from Kentucky....

-cls

Txhillbilly · June 22, 2011, 10:08 PM

I guess I need to tell the Sierra 69gr MK's and the Hornady 75gr BTHP Match bullets to not shoot so well out of my RRA AR15 and Savage 12 FLVSS,because they love being propelled by Varget.
They also like BL-C(2) and Reloader 15.

June 21, 2011, 07:44 PM	#1
B-RAD Junior member Join Date: June 16, 2011 Location: Right behind you Posts: 23	.223 + Varget = Garbage lol Last edited by B-RAD; June 23, 2011 at 08:07 PM.

June 21, 2011, 08:37 PM	#3
DiscoRacing Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: milton, wv Posts: 3,638	maybe you should use Ramshot TAC then. __________________ Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______ ----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red -------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W

June 21, 2011, 09:11 PM	#7
hagar Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2000 Location: Colombia, SC Posts: 490	Varget works best with heavy bullets, but then with your vast knowledge, you should have known that.. __________________ I don't have time for busy people

June 21, 2011, 09:43 PM	#9
jhansman Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2007 Posts: 624	Well, I could never get it to perform nearly as well as H322, but "garbage"? __________________ Blessed is the man who has nothing to say, and cannot be compelled to say it.

June 21, 2011, 10:05 PM	#11
mikejonestkd Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Brockport, NY Posts: 2,658	Wow, I never knew how bad Varget was till today. Strange though, my cousin went to West point and took first place in the limited division with loads stuffed to the rim with varget. I should call him to tell him he could have done better....LOL http://www.usma.edu/uscc/dca/clubs/guns/results.html __________________ You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.

June 21, 2011, 08:20 PM	#2
Hydrostatic Shock Member Join Date: February 17, 2011 Posts: 47	Wow! I didn't realize we had such a .223 expert in the forum! Cheers

June 21, 2011, 08:39 PM	#4
625cnd Member Join Date: June 9, 2011 Posts: 21	Well, one needs a drop tube when you get charge weights over 26 grains or so. Varget contrary to the OP is one of the most versatile powders for the whole range of bulets from 40 to 90gr in the 223. Nothing but nothing comes even close. One has to accept that for lighter bullets one needs a drop tube, but then if someone was a seasoned reloader they would know that. Obviously this person is not very seasoned!

June 21, 2011, 09:03 PM	#5
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 4,384	Obviously this person is not very seasoned! +1 Just last weekend my Remington 700 in 223 with 68 gr Hornady GR BTHP with Varget held sub 1 MOA at 100 yards. Must have been a fluke. Granted it took 6 different loads before I got there but that’s what load development is. What’s the possibility that it’s the gun, or the shooter?

June 21, 2011, 09:04 PM	#6
beex215 Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2010 Posts: 316	he mus have blew up his gun and now has nothing to shoot.

June 21, 2011, 10:16 PM	#13
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 2,085	While I can't say it's "garbage :barf:," I have had my best heavy/77gr bullet luck with AA2520.

June 21, 2011, 10:20 PM	#14
lll Otto lll Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2008 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 154	He started this thread/rant because in his words, "I like arguments". He's a troll and I call them as I see them.

June 21, 2011, 10:42 PM	#15
IllinoisCoyoteHunter Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2008 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 1,487	Until you post some pictures of targets and groups, your rants mean nothing. If you are so great at load development let's see some target pictures. Don't forget to wipe the unburnt powder off them. I love threads that are started that have NO substance. __________________ ~~IllinoisCoyoteHunter~~ ~NRA LIFE MEMBER~ ~NRA CERTIFIED INSTRUCTOR~

June 21, 2011, 10:59 PM	#16
Jerry45 Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2000 Location: Metairie, Louisiana Posts: 751	Does this mean I need to throw away my 8 # can of Varget? NAAH! I think I’ll shoot it. __________________ Guns are not dangerous! People are! RKBA!

June 21, 2011, 11:12 PM	#17
Fullthrottle Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2009 Posts: 238	"Does this mean I need to throw away my 8 # can of Varget? NAAH! I think I’ll shoot it." Or you could donate it to me! I would at least dispose of it properly...................Down range! __________________ When seconds count, why is help minutes away?

June 22, 2011, 01:09 AM	#18
praetorian97 Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2011 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 444	I was able to hit clays at 100 yards with a red dot optic using 55FMJ BT 25.5 Varget in my AR.

June 22, 2011, 07:47 PM	#19
B-RAD Junior member Join Date: June 16, 2011 Location: Right behind you Posts: 23	lol Last edited by B-RAD; June 23, 2011 at 08:07 PM.

June 22, 2011, 09:13 PM	#20
Blackops_2 Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,465	1/10th MOA groups thats some serious stuff Mr. Berenger. __________________ "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine." "Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back."

June 22, 2011, 09:35 PM	#22
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,705	"Varget will never ever be the most accurate powder when it comes to .223, most the time you can't even fit enough powder in the case or get a power thrower to throw it accurately..." Ah! The volunteered certain wisdom of a true expert who we must trust routinely obtains sub .010" groups, guess there's no more anyone needs to know about that! Wonder if ol' B-Rad has considered attending the Super Shoot with one of his garden variety .223 rifles, he could wipe 'em out easily! But, even "a power (?) thrower can't throw (Varget) accurately"! Who of us would have thought of that as an "accurate" powder criteria? Still, I can't help but wonder if our new resident guru understands that powder burn rates must be matched to the cartridge and bullet so the perhaps the 'failure' of his Varget loads came from his poor initial choice. Or does he yet need to test one of the 4831s to find another and even more "inaccurate .223 powder"? Last edited by wncchester; June 22, 2011 at 09:42 PM.

June 22, 2011, 09:37 PM	#23
praetorian97 Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2011 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 444	Is B-Rad the whining Brad from Top Shot season one? ;-)

June 22, 2011, 09:39 PM	#24
frumious Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2009 Location: Carrollton TX Posts: 514	I wonder if the OP is from Kentucky.... -cls

June 22, 2011, 10:08 PM	#25
Txhillbilly Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2008 Posts: 242	I guess I need to tell the Sierra 69gr MK's and the Hornady 75gr BTHP Match bullets to not shoot so well out of my RRA AR15 and Savage 12 FLVSS,because they love being propelled by Varget. They also like BL-C(2) and Reloader 15.