The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 15, 2011, 10:05 AM   #1
jason russ
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 11, 2011
Posts: 11
Alliant Bullseye

So I've been looking for a new powder to reload .40 S&W. I have heard nothing but good things about Alliant's Unique but since everyone wants to have it, the stores never do and even online it's hard to find a site where I can order everything else I need from the same store. I was thinking about loading with Alliant's Bullseye powder and figured I'd ask to see if anyone had any thoughts on the powder. Pros, Cons. Maybe even load data for .40 S&W if you've reloaded with it. Thanks in advance for all responses.
jason russ is offline  
Old June 15, 2011, 10:36 AM   #2
zippy13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 23, 2008
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,408
Bullseye is a good economical powder for the use it's intended: target loads. If you're looking for maximum velocity loads, you'll be happier with Unique or another slower powder since Bullseye's fast and the pressure rises accordingly. For target and plinking loads, Bullseye's a good choice.
zippy13 is offline  
Old June 15, 2011, 11:29 AM   #3
Marco Califo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 4, 2011
Location: LA
Posts: 828
While I agree with the response above, the differences between Bullseye, Unique, and Power Pistol are often less than 10% of velocity for the same bullet. Yes, Bullseye is a target powder, but for .40 and 9mm, the max velocity difference is very small, and I personally don't hesitate to use Bullseye for max loads published by Alliant.

"Pistols and Revolvers
40 S&W 165 gr Speer GDHP
Minimum OAL (inches) Bbl Length Primer
Powder Charge Weight (grains) Velocity(fps)

1.12 4 CCI 500 Bullseye 5.8 1,022 View this recipe
1.12 4 CCI 500 Unique 7.2 1,064 View this recipe
1.12 4 CCI 500 Pow Pistol 7.8 1,081 View this recipe"

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloade...29&bulletid=41

Bullseye meters better than Unique. Power Pistol looks and meters just like Bullseye.
Marco Califo is online now  
Old June 15, 2011, 12:27 PM   #4
sidewindr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 4, 2011
Location: somewhere out there
Posts: 101
If your looking for a new powder don't overlook N320 or N340, most loads I've tried with them have been excellent and the cleanest burning of most,I haven't tried Bullseye so I can't compare to it.
sidewindr is offline  
Old June 15, 2011, 12:54 PM   #5
scsov509
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 22, 2006
Posts: 758
Quote:
I personally don't hesitate to use Bullseye for max loads published by Alliant.
I do hesitate to use Bullseye for max loadings, particularly in the .40 where pressure can spike quite rapidly with small changes in COL or charge weight. If you're contemplating max loadings, then there's really no reason not to reach for a different powder rather than trying to push he envelope with something less than optimally suited for your end goal.

Power Pistol is pretty good in the .40. It fills the case, meters well, and it provides top velocities across a variety of bullet weights. If you can't find Unique then another great power is Universal. It has a burn rate near identical to Unique, but meters a lot better and also burns cleaner. Those three in that order are my preference in the .40: Power Pistol, Universal, and then Unique. YMMV
scsov509 is offline  
Old June 15, 2011, 01:04 PM   #6
Marco Califo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 4, 2011
Location: LA
Posts: 828
Quote:
trying to push he envelope with something less than optimally suited
Using the powder manufacturers published load is NOT pushing ANY envelope. Bullseye burns completely and cleanly within SAAMI specs. Bullseye also has higher energy per grain making it more economical.
Marco Califo is online now  
Old June 15, 2011, 01:06 PM   #7
NWPilgrim
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 29, 2008
Location: Oregon
Posts: 2,150
You may want to also look at Alliant Power Pistol or Hodgdon Universal Clays. Unique is a large flake powder that may not meter as well, but is a wonderful powder. I have been using Unique for loading .40S&W for many years, but am looking to try Power Pistol for better metering (it is smaller grains similar to Bullseye).

Here is the load data I have collected (of course, be sure to double check original sources in case I mis-typed):

Cartridge : .40 S&W (SAAMI)
Bullet : .400, 180, LTC
Useable Case Capacity : 9.289 grain H2O = 0.603 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6 : 1.135 inch = 28.83 mm
Barrel Length : 4.0 inch = 101.6 mm


POWER PISTOL
6.0 gr – 6.7 gr l 933 – 1,034 fps QuickLOAD COL = 1.135"
6.3 gr – 6.9 gr 963 – 1,050 Lee 2nd Edition COL = 1.125
5.7 gr – 7.3 gr 900 – 1,050 Hornady 7th COL = 1.125
5.9 gr – 6.6 gr 908 - 998 Lyman 49th COL=1.125
n/a - 7.2 gr 1,013 Alliant website COL = 1.120

BULLSEYE
4.0 gr – 4.4 gr 934 – 999 fps QuickLOAD COL = 1.135"
5.0 gr – 5.5 gr 932 - 1,015 Lee 2nd Edition COL = 1.125
4.4 gr – 5.3 gr 850 - 950 Hornady 7th COL = 1.125
n/a – 5.5 gr 929 Alliant website COL = 1.120
__________________
"The ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone. ... The advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition."
- James Madison

Last edited by NWPilgrim; June 15, 2011 at 05:06 PM.
NWPilgrim is offline  
Old June 15, 2011, 01:56 PM   #8
tom234
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 14, 2008
Location: Kansas
Posts: 752
I also agree with Zippy that Unique is a better overall choice. Since Alliant no longer publishes ANY lead bullet data for .40 S&W or 10mm I'm shifting over to Accurate 5, 7, & 9. If you do go with any Alliant powder buy a 4 or 8# keg to reap the bulk savings.
tom234 is offline  
Old June 15, 2011, 07:42 PM   #9
BDS-THR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 12, 2010
Posts: 474
Quote:
Originally Posted by tom234
Since Alliant no longer publishes ANY lead bullet data for .40 S&W or 10mm
Tom, I use Alliant's 2004 load data to reference my lead loads for 40S&W and other calibers/bullet weights not in the Alliant's 2011 load data.
BDS-THR is offline  
Old June 15, 2011, 08:09 PM   #10
zxcvbob
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 20, 2007
Location: S.E. Minnesota
Posts: 4,187
Alliant's 2011 load data is for soft squishy Speer swaged bullets. That's why there's no .40 data.

Bullseye's burn rate in the powder charts is skewed towards the top by it's very high energy; it's not really as different from Unique as most people think. It is a great powder for 9mm -- and not just target loads. (I use it in 9mm +P's) BE should be equally good in .40, but I don't load .40 so I can't say for certain.
__________________
"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun"
zxcvbob is online now  
Old June 15, 2011, 08:22 PM   #11
PawPaw
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 24, 2010
Location: Central Louisiana
Posts: 3,112
Powder Valley has Unique in stock. 1lb, 4 lb, and 8lb jugs.
__________________
Dennis Dezendorf

http://pawpawshouse.blogspot.com
PawPaw is offline  
Old June 15, 2011, 10:55 PM   #12
Bruno2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 7, 2009
Location: Not saying b/c I dont want any of you crazy people to rob or kill me. Alright it's Tulsa , Oklahoma
Posts: 221
Paw Paw has a great reccomendation for suppliers. Powder Valley has some of the best pricing. Also they go to a lot of gun shows. You can call them and see if they are coming to one near you and if they are place an order with them so they can bring it . You will save the hazmat and regular shipping.
Bruno2 is offline  
Old June 16, 2011, 12:27 AM   #13
DarthNul
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 21, 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 219
I've been working up .40 loads lately for my SA XD40 and EAA witness Elite Match pistols. I'm working with Bullseye, Ramshot Zip, Unique, Power Pistol and Accurate #5. I'm experimenting with Nosler 150 gr, Berry's 180 gr flat nose, Montana Gold 165 JHP and 180 gr, Xtreme 165 gr RNFP and 155 gr Hornady XTP.

All the powders work OK, some better than others depending on the load. I've only used Bullseye with the Berry's plated bullets in .40 so far. I've used Bullseye more in 9mm and .45. Groups are OK with the Berry's but could probably be better.

I tend to avoid Bullseye when I'm doing a run on the progressive press. I'm paranoid that I wouldn't reliably detect a double charge since the charge volumes are so small with Bullseye.
__________________
The most feared gun control law proposal: Require buyers to register all gun purchases with their wives
DarthNul is offline  
Old June 16, 2011, 02:20 AM   #14
joneb
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 10, 2005
Location: Central , OR
Posts: 1,731
I think Bullseye is a very versatile powder, it burns clean and predictably over a wide range of pressures. Bullseye may not give you the highest velocity, but for good reliable target loads it does well.

I would try W-231 and AA#5 for 40 S&W before Bullseye, but because I have them already I'd try'em all
joneb is offline  
Old June 16, 2011, 03:48 PM   #15
moxie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 17, 2006
Location: TX
Posts: 513
In addition to the very good Missouri Bullets, there is also Natchez, which has Bullseye in stock and almost anything else you can think of, at good prices.

http://www.natchezss.com/category.cf...=HP&catLevel=1
__________________
If you want to shoot...shoot...don't talk! Tuco

USAF Munitions 1969-1992
RVN 1972-1973
moxie is offline  
Old June 17, 2011, 08:03 AM   #16
jason russ
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 11, 2011
Posts: 11
Thanks again to everyone who posted. I appreciate the answers.
jason russ is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.10142 seconds with 7 queries