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Old June 1, 2011, 11:08 AM   #26
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The 12 gauge shotgun shell is problematic when it comes to feeding out of a magazine, as mentioned by others already. A flat nose, a rim, no taper or bottleneck to help guide the shell into the chamber makes for clunky feeding. Plus, the large size of a 12 gauge shell makes a detachable magazine personally unappealing. Who wants a foot long magazine sticking out of their weapon that gives them ten shots?

Now, Kel Tec came up with a novel idea with dual magazine tubes and a neatly laid out bullpub design. I don't know how that will prove out in use, but certainly it blows up the idea that shotgun innovation has stagnated.

But I have a limited imagination, as I can't think of a scenario where an Ithaca Model 37 riot gun (with or without an extended tube) would be found wanting, or the same gun with extended tube, heat shield, and a mounted light wouldn't be close to ideal.
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Old June 1, 2011, 12:43 PM   #27
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IMHO...

That's like saying knife, shovel, or karate technology is in a rut.
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Old June 1, 2011, 06:21 PM   #28
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no rut

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When they figured out how to mount two barrels, side by side, with two separate firing mechanisms, and the barrels indexed to the same point of aim at a predetermined yardage, they reached the apex, the epitome of shotgun technology.

Anything since then is just useless piddling.
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And yes, the O/U...a simple revolutionary change.
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Old June 1, 2011, 07:43 PM   #29
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The KSG isn't as innovative as it seems.

The basic idea for a bullpup double mag tube pump shotgun goes back at least 20 years to the South African Neostead.
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Old June 3, 2011, 06:54 AM   #30
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As Scotty said, "The more you overtech the plumbing, the easier it is to clog the drain". Why reinvent the wheel? What do you want shotguns to do that they don't ALREADY do? And wouldn't ruffle legislator's and brady's and that ilk's feathers. Just wondering...
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Old June 3, 2011, 01:55 PM   #31
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IDK maybe civilian shotgun tech hasn't changed a lot lately...

but not military

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8
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Old June 3, 2011, 02:25 PM   #32
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Bring your checkbook

The basic pump does HD/police/combat duty at such a rediculously low price it just isn`t worth doing the r and d to develop a Rambo shotgun, especially when AKs and ARs fit so well into the picture if you need or think you need massive firepower. Shotguns are IDEAL upclose but useless if the perp has cover

Brings to mind another àlso ran`, the pistol calibre carbine. Cutesy didn`t last in the police world--they lack power and they are a dying breed.
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