The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old May 30, 2011, 09:47 PM   #26
jmorris
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 22, 2006
Posts: 1,672
231 & 748, but I use them less than I did when I was more worried about saving $20 than having a good load.
jmorris is offline  
Old May 30, 2011, 09:54 PM   #27
A_Gamehog
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 9, 2009
Location: Central Oregun
Posts: 559
Black Powder for my 1858 new Army Pistols, and BP rifles and Varget for the modern rifles.
__________________
"Happiness is knowing the Barred Owl is Eating the Spotted Owl and environmentalists are watching Nature take it's course"
A_Gamehog is offline  
Old May 30, 2011, 10:12 PM   #28
4runnerman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 16, 2010
Location: Minnsota
Posts: 2,897
RL-15 for rifles and Unique for pistols.
__________________
NRA Certified RSO
NwCP- Performance Isn't Optional
4runnerman is offline  
Old May 30, 2011, 10:13 PM   #29
shootniron
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 16, 2011
Posts: 1,147
I only reload pistol, so W231 and Bullseye.
shootniron is offline  
Old May 30, 2011, 10:44 PM   #30
bluetopper
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 16, 2005
Location: Northeast TX
Posts: 1,105
Bullseye and 2400.
__________________
I use Liberal tears as gun lubricant.
bluetopper is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 02:36 AM   #31
Idaho Spud
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 7, 2010
Posts: 270
IMR 4064 & Unique. I could find reasonable loads with these two for my reloading, although 4064 in 223 is iffy, but do-able.
Idaho Spud is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 03:28 AM   #32
hooligan1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 18, 2010
Location: Independence Missouri
Posts: 3,452
IMR 4350 and H4350 I guess.
__________________
Thanks for coming!
hooligan1 is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 06:35 AM   #33
mikehaas
Member
 
Join Date: March 27, 2006
Posts: 25
With only 2 powders, I wouldn't choose 2 so close in burn rate - I would want a fast one and a slower one. The faster powder will have to work in both shotgun and pistols for which I have data. So probably something like Winchester WST. (12 gua, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, 9mm, etc)

For a rifle powder, probably Hodgdon BL-C(2) - has applications from .17 right through the .458 Win Mag and some .50 cals.

FYI, my Powder Application Guide is darn-near perfect for this kind of research...
http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/aipowders.cgi

The PAG is free for all visitors - you don't even need an account. If not, just press the "Enter as DEMO" button on the login page.

BTW, this tool was created a couple years ago after a friend called me from a gun show. He had found a great deal on some unfamiliar powder and thought that AmmoGuide should help him figure out what it could be used in. I agreed. Seems a lot more useful to me than "burn rate charts". -Mike
mikehaas is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 07:51 AM   #34
Jim243
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 5, 2009
Location: Just off Route 66
Posts: 4,653
When I started reloading, the most number of loads listed were for H-4895 and Win 231. I guess I would stick with those.

Jim
__________________
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Jim243 is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 08:04 AM   #35
Brian Pfleuger
Staff
 
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Central, Southern NY, USA
Posts: 18,791
I guess I'd go with 800x and w748.
Brian Pfleuger is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 08:20 AM   #36
MW surveyor
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 20, 2010
Posts: 212
Hate to say it but probably Unique and Bullseye.
MW surveyor is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 08:35 AM   #37
MADISON
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 1, 2000
Location: Roanoke, Virginia
Posts: 2,678
Just 2 powders?

I started out with UNIQUE and Winchester 748.
After finding that UNIQUE would not produce the accuracy
I desired, I added Winchester 231.
MADISON is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 08:43 AM   #38
wncchester
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2002
Posts: 2,832
"I'm looking for the fewest powders and already there is one that I had not considered. Thank you very much."

I'm suggesting that unless you just want to go to a range and make noise, a reloader picking two powders for a range of cartridges is a poor procedure. Not only will using the better choices cost you less in the long run but using a "make do" powder choice will defeat much of what reloading is about; making the best ammo we can possibly make. Putting dreams of packing a SHTF bug-out bag aside, you would do better to take as much loaded ammo as you could carry rather than a reloading kit to a remote place and hopeing to live off the land. (For me, it would be a Ruger 10/22 with two extra magazines and as many bricks of ammo as I could stumble under.)

You asked us what two powders we might prefer. That IS hypothetical and vague in that you didn't say what you wanted the info for until now. And you still haven't given us a clue about your actual needs would be except an initial undefined reference to handguns and a shotgun. ??

All of the better powder choices for any practical uses in any cartridges will be listed in a loading manual, none of us will have any valid insights the book makers do not know. Unless our cartridge lists are the same as your's, our better choices will likely be wildly different from what would be useful to you anyway.

You're welcome.

Last edited by wncchester; May 31, 2011 at 09:06 AM.
wncchester is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 09:04 AM   #39
Sevens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 28, 2007
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 9,195
Good points wncchester but you've got to know that not every reloader is wildly attracted to the hobby side of what we do. There are plenty of handgun game shooters (IPSC, IDPA, others) who merely need ammo that makes the required specifications of the event, and they don't need even 10 FPS over that (and frankly, they don't WANT even 10 fps over that!) and they really don't require extreme accuracy either, shooting for the "A" zone on a large target at a short distance, but doing it quickly.

For those folks, covering more than one chambering with similar components is a real time saver both at the bench and also when it comes to buying and stocking the components.

Not sure why you can't see that angle. As for the topic itself...
Like so many others...

...it's just conversation.
__________________
Attention Brass rats and other reloaders: I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.
Sevens is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 09:12 AM   #40
wncchester
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 1, 2002
Posts: 2,832
"Not sure why you can't see that angle."

I very much do see it; just don't agree. Can't visualise how it speeds anything at all at a bench nor can I see how it could possibly cut costs. But the man's talking about bug-out bags, so... I question the value of that but I'm just making conversation, what I think doesn't matter a bit!
wncchester is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 09:12 AM   #41
Sevens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 28, 2007
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 9,195
Quote:
How do you guys keep tract of what powder was last in the measure if you don't want to empty it after every time in the loading room? This currently isn't a problem for me since I only load two and they both look different.
Leaving powder in the measure is a habit I would suggest to avoid. Some do it... can't tell 'em not to. But consider that:

Powder was meant to be stored in the darkened plastic container that it's shipped and sold in. That container is resistant to it's chemical properties, which the hoppers of many powder measures are not. Many measures will yellow over time, some will even see the plastic fogging or otherwise "changing" because of powder left in them.

Also, the very idea that you might accidentally pour a powder in to the wrong container because you left it in the hopper and you weren't 100% sure which powder it was is really, really bad and setting yourself up for a real failure. At the least, you'd contaminate the entire contents of a one, 4, 5 or 8 pound jug of powder by dumping a whole lot of the WRONG powder in to it. That's at the least... at the worst, you could very well blow up one of your firearms if you had an unintentionally mixed powder or you had a mis-identified powder and you built a load for it.

Imagine working with a large bottle neck rifle round and accidentally charging it with a fast burning pistol powder because you couldn't identify it? That would be a grenade, pure and simple, and it would be a miracle if your rifle survived it.

My technique at the bench is that all of my powders are in my powder cache and only ONE bottle can be on the bench at any one time. When I have powder in my measure hopper, I also have a bottle on the bench. When it's time to empty the measure at the end of that day, the bottle is right there and there are no other bottles and NO CONFUSION.

This has worked well for me and I would suggest you consider a similar practice.
__________________
Attention Brass rats and other reloaders: I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.
Sevens is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 09:32 AM   #42
Saltydog235
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 20, 2010
Location: Pawleys Island
Posts: 1,169
Varget and H4350. I'm not so sure that you couldn't load Varget in everything out there and get decent results.
Saltydog235 is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 10:55 AM   #43
Sarge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 12, 2002
Location: MO
Posts: 4,911
Quote:
How do you guys keep tract of what powder was last in the measure if you don't want to empty it after every time in the loading room?
A 1" piece of masking tape with the powder and charge weight written on it, stuck on the front of the hopper where I can't miss it. Label changes with with each new setting.
__________________
I'm inclined to think if a man hasn't gotten his point across in 4912 attempts, 4913 probably isn't going to do it.
Sarge is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 11:44 AM   #44
hogcowboy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 4, 2010
Location: N33 32.941 W 97 53.546 Texas
Posts: 229
Quote:
You asked us what two powders we might prefer. That IS hypothetical and vague in that you didn't say what you wanted the info for until now. And you still haven't given us a clue about your actual needs would be except an initial undefined reference to handguns and a shotgun. ??
I don't think anyone knows exactly what kind of problem one might find themselves should all heck break out. That's the reason for the vagueness. Just look at the folks in Joplin Mo. I have no idea exactly what that would be like but I can imagine. Just finding powder is bound to be impossible and if you can find any, can you make it work. That's the reason for wanting to know what powders might work with the biggest number of guns. Non specific. What did people use before we had the number of refined powders we have today. I'm not trying to be confrontational. Getting the most accurate load is not what I'm looking for. I'm doing that today. Call it hypothetical if you want but recent events say maybe not. Does that make any kind of sense? Hopefully I would have enough loaded ammo that I wouldn't have to worry anyway but you simply never know.
__________________
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- Unknown author -- Falsely attributed to George Washington --
American Legion Rider
hogcowboy is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 11:50 AM   #45
sserdlihc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 10, 2008
Location: S.C.
Posts: 1,434
imr4350 and unique
__________________
Familiarity breeds contempt, while rarity wins admiration. Aupleius
If someone doesn't like you, that's their problem! Milton Childress
sserdlihc is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 03:39 PM   #46
GURU1911
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 22, 2010
Location: SEALY, THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS
Posts: 501
Only two powders

In my mind, that is a no-brainer with the handgun & rifle cartridges i have been shooting for almost 40 years: Unique & 4350

guru1911
__________________
NRA LIFE MEMBER (1984) & PRESIDENT: S.W. LA. R&P CLUB, LAKE CHARLES, LOUISIANA (1994-1999)
METALLIC CARTRIDGE RELOADER (1977) & GENTILE CHRISTIAN ZIONIST INFIDEL !!!

"THERE AIN'T TOO MANY THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T FIX, WITH $500 DOLLARS OR A .30-06"
GURU1911 is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 06:04 PM   #47
cryogenic419
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 29, 2009
Location: NW Ohio
Posts: 461
Probably Varget for rifles and H.Universal for everything else
cryogenic419 is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 06:43 PM   #48
Brian Pfleuger
Staff
 
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Central, Southern NY, USA
Posts: 18,791
Quote:
Originally Posted by larry5081
...That's the reason for wanting to know what powders might work with the biggest number of guns. Non specific. What did people use before we had the number of refined powders we have today. I'm not trying to be confrontational. Getting the most accurate load is not what I'm looking for. I'm doing that today. Call it hypothetical if you want but recent events say maybe not. Does that make any kind of sense? Hopefully I would have enough loaded ammo that I wouldn't have to worry anyway but you simply never know.
If those are your criteria, it's hard to beat Winchester 748 for rifles. The AmmoGuide page in the link on page 2 of this thread shows loads for 75 cartridges, from .10 Squirrel to .700 Hubel Express. For handguns (and many rifles) Unique is listed in 85 cartridges from .218 BEE to .500 Linebaugh.

In reality, if your criteria is "functional", there really are virtually no wrong answers. Any pistol powder can be made to work in any handgun and a wide array of rifle cartridges, any rifle powder (with the possible exception of dedicated "big bore" powders like Hodgdon 50BMG) can be made to work in any rifle cartridge.
Brian Pfleuger is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 07:04 PM   #49
Champion5
Member
 
Join Date: January 25, 2011
Location: PA
Posts: 52
Win231/Unique
Champion5 is offline  
Old May 31, 2011, 07:11 PM   #50
NWPilgrim
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 29, 2008
Location: Oregon
Posts: 2,153
Your choice of cartridges plays a role in how will a couple of powders can span most of your firearms.

I you have wide range from smallest to largest then it may be impossible. but careful selection of chamberings will make it fairly easy.

Instead of a .357 Magnum for HD/target shooting you could get a pistol in 9mm, .40 or .45ACP, or just plan on .38 Special as your "plan B". Bullseye, W231, Unique, Universal and Power Pistol can be used for almost anything from .380ACP to .45ACP, including .38 Special and .44 Special.

For rifle the .223 and .308 can conveniently use most of the same mid-range powders and those two cartridges will cover most needs from prairie dogs to elk, plus target shooting and competitions. Any one of RL15, Varget, H4895, BL-C2, IMR4064, and TAC would serve both cartridges.

Or you can match overbore small caliber with a larger caliber and slower powder such as .243 100 gr and .30-06 180 gr loads using 4350 or 4831.
__________________
"The ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone. ... The advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition."
- James Madison
NWPilgrim is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.13115 seconds with 7 queries