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Old May 30, 2011, 08:35 AM   #26
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I know this is nit picking, but reason and persuasion are not the same thing.

The Athenians used reason, the Spartons used persuasion.

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Old May 30, 2011, 08:36 AM   #27
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Nugent's check to Marko was rather nominal, but was welcomed and was satisfactory.

When browsing the Internet, it might be worth the occasional search to see if improper credit were given, and offer a post in correction. Marko is one of our own, and deserves proper recognition.
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Old May 30, 2011, 03:44 PM   #28
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Interesting philosophy, and it makes complete sense.

Given that, why are some Americans soooo blind to it?

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Old May 30, 2011, 05:16 PM   #29
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just typing Maj Cudill in came up with beacoup hits and eventually the authorship was corrected in the remarks.
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Old May 30, 2011, 05:23 PM   #30
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Warbird

Thanks for posting. I enjoyed reading it for the first time.


I would say that, to me, there are 3 reasons for gun ownership:

- Hunting and sportshooting

- Self defense against criminals

- A populations self defense against a government

The last one is the most important, by far.
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Old May 30, 2011, 06:19 PM   #31
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A populations self defense against a government
This one is one that we all like to say is a reason to own a rifle, but in reality just how bad would it have to get before law abiding gun owners turned there guns toward cops, FBI agents or some other agency from the govt trying to enforce laws that are unconstitutional or unjust...............
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Old May 30, 2011, 06:38 PM   #32
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Well, the article being written by one person or another did lead me to do a quick search on Chicago and it's possible gunban. Really sad to see people of 'power' so ignorant to the rights of the people they 'work' for.

It did however lead me to come up with a solution for domestic violence, however. Ban marriage. While we're at it, lets not allow people to reproduce..no more child abuse!

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Old May 30, 2011, 08:56 PM   #33
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This one is one that we all like to say is a reason to own a rifle, but in reality just how bad would it have to get before law abiding gun owners turned there guns toward cops, FBI agents or some other agency from the govt trying to enforce laws that are unconstitutional or unjust...............
An armed population is treated with a much softer hand than an unarmed one. I like the fact that our leaders know that we are armed to the teeth. Leaders are flesh and blood today just as they have been throughout history. I dare say that governments have killed far more of their own citizens than street crime has. This isn't far fetched. All over the world throughout history people have been at the mercy of their government. But, not here, not now, not so long as we are armed.

It's not about attacking the police. It's about our leaders knowing that they had better treat us right.
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Old May 30, 2011, 09:01 PM   #34
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Did you ever see that movie "Idiocracy"? If not, it's a must view. Hilarious and also probably very accurate....

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Old May 30, 2011, 09:13 PM   #35
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so that means warbirdlover is in good company anyway...lol
Yeah, I think I already mentioned that up in post 12, LOL. Teddy doesn't check his sources for such things, though my guess is that his work is ghost written anyway.

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seems this went out in a e-mail with the name of Maj Caudill in it.
And has done so for years, despite Marko's posts about the problem from as early as the first few weeks.
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Old May 30, 2011, 10:47 PM   #36
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I'm gonna close this at 50-ish posts.
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Old May 31, 2011, 07:48 AM   #37
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Armed to the teeth? That's a joke. Maybe some of us might want to have a firearm to fight the insurgents. Don't get the idea that everyone with a gun is on your side.
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Old May 31, 2011, 09:23 AM   #38
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It's not about attacking the police.
Last time I checked police are the ones who enforce lawmaker's laws who do you think would be the first ones called fighting a armed uprising against the government (For the record I am not condoning or suggesting a armed uprising against the government, just pointing out what it really means when someone gives a reason for owning a gun is to protect ourselves against our government)

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It's about our leaders knowing that they had better treat us right.
Thanks man I needed a good laugh.......I don't think any leader(law maker) has ever considered whats right...I think its pretty much how they are going to pad there pockets while in and after they leave office.
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Old May 31, 2011, 09:49 AM   #39
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The only problem with that argument is,,,

The reality that far too many people are too chicken-hearted to defend themselves,,,

They are afraid of all people so they advocate the hiring of a strong police force and legislation the banning of the weapons they fear.

It's that simple people,,,

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Old May 31, 2011, 11:09 AM   #40
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There is only one reason to own a gun; that is because you want to own one.

Let the other side make the argument.
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Old May 31, 2011, 11:23 AM   #41
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In before the lock.

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Old June 2, 2011, 12:36 AM   #42
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It's about our leaders knowing that they had better treat us right.

Thanks man I needed a good laugh.......I don't think any leader(law maker) has ever considered whats right...I think its pretty much how they are going to pad there pockets while in and after they leave office.
You're welcome.

I'm very serious. Protection from the government is the main reason the Founding Fathers specifically gave us the right to bear arms. And it's the most important.

The world would never have had a Hitler or Mao if their populations had been armed. Massive armies and police forces wouldn't have had to have been defeated. Just one round into a monster.

I never said that leaders considered what was right. Obviously they consider what's best for them. And that changes with an armed population.
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Old June 2, 2011, 08:49 AM   #43
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Catfishman, the issue is that of the will. Note that the USSR collapsed from an absence of will, not from the demands of an armed populace. We do not know whether or not the Jews of Germany would have had the will to use firearms on Krystallnacht.

But Marko was pointing out the interrelationships among individuals, I think, more than the relationship between the populace and the government.

If you want my money, you must somehow persuade me with a sales pitch, or try to use force. A gun enables my resistance to your force.

Civilization is about buying and selling, not mugging.
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I don't really see how we got on "will" and "mugging". But I'll play.

The world should always be about buying and selling. But, sometimes individuals try mug or take something by force. Sometimes leaders do the same thing. Guns are good for deterring both. And in extreme situations stopping the mugging in progress.
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Old September 4, 2012, 03:36 PM   #45
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I've had this thread favorited since it began. I'm sure it's against forum rules, but I have to give this one a bump to the top. It's truly profound.
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Old September 4, 2012, 04:18 PM   #46
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The reality that far too many people are too chicken-hearted to defend themselves,,,

They are afraid of all people so they advocate the hiring of a strong police force and legislation the banning of the weapons they fear.

It's that simple people,,,

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True True, I think people live in a sheltered reality having never been in or around crime. It's only what they see on the 10'oclock news and that's it. Out of sight and out of mind. They have this ideal that if something happens, they can call 911 and police will be there to save them.

Reality is that some police forces are not that big, and where i grew up in south east PA we didn't have a police force. Only 2 state troopers that were on patrol, and if they needed to lock someone up they had to drive an hour away to book and put them in jail. That means, even at full speed if they get a call while at the police station, it could take 30 or so minutes to get to you even with lights and sirens. You're pretty much a victim and the criminal is long gone. 90% of the time, police respond to victims, they don't show up there to stop a crime in progress.

People need to understand that once you take away guns, the only thing you can do is learn how to be a better victim. Give them what they want, and don't make them mad. Girls should dress in really baggy clothing and look haggerty at night.
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Old September 5, 2012, 12:00 AM   #47
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Well whoever wrote it was spot on. I have had a concealed carry permit for 23yrs. and so far have not ever needed my gun but there is no way I would stop carrying. Ive been married for 19yrs and when I was dating my future wife I remember mentioning my gun and lo and behold she showed me hers. She has had a permit to carry as long as I have. I kinda knew then I was marrying that girl.
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Old September 5, 2012, 01:36 PM   #48
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Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it - besides, I'm really personally fond of my Colts Series 70 Government Models - one original made in 1970 and the other "second generation" made since 2002 - low serial number - only mods sights and thumb safeties.





Not fancy but accurate and reliable - and fun to shoot every week.
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Old September 6, 2012, 02:19 AM   #49
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If you want my money, you must somehow persuade me with a sales pitch, or try to use force. A gun enables my resistance to your force.
Or be a bank or other financial business that controls your money and rips you off. 2008 saw the economy lose billions of dollars worth of value because of the manipulation of various markets. We're still paying the price and no one has been investigated let alone charged.

Oh and the Warsaw pact fell because the will of the people was stronger than the power of the oppressors. An armed populace doesn't seem to have much to do with a successful revolution.
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Old September 6, 2012, 10:06 AM   #50
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Besides guns for personal protection - who could resist the beauty of rifles for hunting - or just for the fun of shooting at the range?









Just scratching the surface -
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