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Old May 2, 2011, 09:34 AM   #1
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9mm Carbine Choices - Which one to buy

I have seen other post touching on this issue – but I am hoping for a more specific discussion.

Over time, and by inheriting guns, I have accumulated a wide variety of guns and calibers and wish to simply for hunting, HD and SHTF. Ease of reloading is also a consideration.

I am going to drop down to 6 calibers.

.22 (Ruger 10/22 rifle and Walther pistol)
9mm (Springfield XD)
5.56 - .223 (LWRC and CMMG)
6.5x55 (I know this is a weird one but I love my knife handled mannlicher mausers)
.308 (Springfield, FN and Savage)
12 gauge (Mossberg and Beretta)

As part of my reorg - I am going to buy a 9mm carbine … THE question is which one?

Kel Tec Sub-2000
Beretta CX4
Callico
HK-94
AR type
Bush Master
Spikes
Olympic
RRA
CMMG
Other?

I want to be able to run 9mm NATO so the Sterling and Suomi are not a viable option based on the info I have.

I have a FN- S90 and two FN5-7 pistols but ammo is unlikely to be widely available in SHTF situation and the round is a pain to reload, so they are going to go.

I also have two M1-carbines which I like ... but ammo is more expensive than 9mm and there is a more limited supply in SHTF.

I am leaning to the AR type 9mm for parts redundancy. Cost not a primary issue as sale of other guns will finance.

Your advice and guidance is appreciated.

Best wishes
Phil
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Old May 2, 2011, 09:37 AM   #2
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You missed the Hi-Point 995TS... fun little rifle.
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Old May 2, 2011, 09:40 AM   #3
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Gotta say for the cost its hands down the 995TS. Throw a 35$ red dot on it and run the cheapest 9mm you can find, its surprisingly accurate and functions very well. Just feels like an air soft gun
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Old May 2, 2011, 10:15 AM   #4
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Rock River LAR-9 carbine
Marlin Camp 9
Beretta Storm 9 carbine
B&T TP9 SBR'd (I know it's not a carbine but it's kewl)
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Old May 2, 2011, 11:20 AM   #5
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I like the 9mm AR's myself.

If you had a Glock 17 or 19, I would really suggest getting a Lone Wolf lower and building your own. Then you could use Glock magazines. That's my preferred solution. It's what I did with my custom AR except I went with .357 SIG.

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Old May 2, 2011, 12:50 PM   #6
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I don't think they make em anymore, but the Ruger PC9 is a dandy little carbine.
I also like the Kel Tec and Hi Points, but at the moment, I'd say Kel Tec is my favorite because it's lighter than the other 2.
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Old May 2, 2011, 12:51 PM   #7
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i have never heard anything bad about the hi point carbine.

i have also never heard anything bad about the sub-2000, which has the advantage of being able to use glock mags up to 33 rounds and folding. the highest capacity hi point mags i've heard of are 15 rounds.

also, and i realize that this is not what you are asking for, but i can't help but make the suggestion, you may consider buying an AK. for SHTF, the best rifles to have are going to be the ones that wont break (or that you can find parts anywhere for) and which have readily available ammo. and since everyone and their mother has an AK or an AR on the rack, and a brick of ammo in the closet, it makes sense to have both available, just in case.

anyway, back on subject now, the guys above me are right--the hi-point is the cheapest 9mm carbine money can buy, and it functions reliably and accurately. You are limited in magazine capacity.

step up $100, and you can get a sub-2000 with two advantages: (1)you can get a glock-compatible model and use 33 round mags, and (2)it will fold and fit in a backpack, or even a large computer bag.
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Old May 2, 2011, 01:07 PM   #8
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I can't speak to all the other guns but I own a Keltec Sub 2000. it's a great little carbine. As was said, it folds in half and accepts 33 round Glock magazines. I have a Glock 19, so it's nice to be able to use similar gear. I like how small I can get it when folded for transportation.
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Old May 2, 2011, 01:23 PM   #9
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Personally, I think Hi-Point finds a nice niche market in making pistol caliber carbines. They are good products that function well and come with an unbeatable warranty.

But if you have the money...
Beretta CX4-Storm-


Come on. How awesome is that?

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Old May 2, 2011, 01:25 PM   #10
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I was able to shoulder a CX4 and I just found the stock to be really short and the sights hard to see through. Could just be a personal thing...
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Old May 2, 2011, 01:35 PM   #11
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I shot a 9mm hi-point carbine. it's a good gun but the fun is over way too soon with the single stack mags.

I have a ruger p95 so if I could find a PC9 I would grab it. since I have a glock the kel-tec would be nice too.
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Old May 3, 2011, 01:04 AM   #12
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The BEST choice IMHO is a Ruger PC-9 if you can find one for a good price. Reliable 20 round Mec-Gar magazines are available and those magazines will interchange with any P85-P95 9mm pistol. You are thus down to only one magazine and one ammunition. Not to mention the PC-9 is sturdy enough to deliver a serious beat-down should the need arise.

I would personally avoid the SUB-2000. They work, but the charging handle position is awkward, the recoil spring is very heavy, and shooting one feels like getting slapped in the face with a broom handle. However if you already have a Glock they are reliable and can be had so they use Glock magazines.

If you are unsure and just want something that shoots 9mm so you can get your toes wet with 9mm rifles, get a Hi-Point and stick with factory magazines. You can always sell it at a gunshow and get most of your money back or you can keep it in your trunk for a car gun and keep the more expensive stuff at home.
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Old May 3, 2011, 03:37 PM   #13
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Uzi B carbine. or one of the Norinco Uzi B copies.
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Old May 3, 2011, 03:53 PM   #14
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I want to be able to run 9mm NATO so the Sterling and Suomi are not a viable option based on the info I have.
What info is that?
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Old May 3, 2011, 03:55 PM   #15
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Old May 3, 2011, 04:19 PM   #16
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The only way a 9mm Carbine makes sense is if it shares magazines with your chosen pistol.

If you have a Beretta, then get the CX4. If you have a Glock, then use an Olympic 9mm Carbine, or build one with a Lone Wolf lower to make a Glock compatible carbine.

The Marlin Camp 9 used S&W Magazines?

If you are doing a "SHTF" kind of setup, make your gear count....

Otherwise, there is precious little advantage to a Pistol Caliber Carbine, IMVHO.
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Old May 3, 2011, 05:50 PM   #17
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I love my glock mag Keltec sub 2000 and IMO its the best 9mm carbine for the money(better than hipoints that cost as much these days).


That being said its not the best 9mm carbine.. I would vote buy a few of the cheaper end rather than buying one high dollar one.

Id go keltec sub2k,hipoint 995 and try a suomi(dont know what your talking about with 9mm nato stuff)
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Old May 3, 2011, 07:10 PM   #18
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LordTio3 said it best “But if you have the money...Beretta CX4-Storm”
My suggestion is to put all of them to your shoulder and see which one feels best.
The one person that complained about the shortness probably tried a gun with all the stock spacers removed, at 10$ per that’s not a problem that can’t be fixed.
I prefer my Beretta to my HK MP5, and it’s also a lot more accurate.
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Old May 3, 2011, 07:39 PM   #19
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Check out the Glock Roni 1. Not a bad deal & much better then the Storm.
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Old May 4, 2011, 07:43 AM   #20
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Regrading +p in Suomi

I spoke with 2 gunsmiths who deal with mil surplus and antique weapons - both said no +p in Suomi and Sterlings. To be sure I called TGI and spoke to one of thier gunsmiths and he confirmed.

I was going to go with the Suomi - cheap price and full parts kits only $70 could have bought 2 guns and 2 spare parts kits for less than $1K
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Old May 4, 2011, 07:57 AM   #21
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I have the CX4 and like it.

Drummer- If you don't like the length of pull it comes with spare spacers to lengthen it.
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Old May 4, 2011, 11:11 AM   #22
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Regrading +p in Suomi

I spoke with 2 gunsmiths who deal with mil surplus and antique weapons - both said no +p in Suomi and Sterlings. To be sure I called TGI and spoke to one of thier gunsmiths and he confirmed.

I was going to go with the Suomi - cheap price and full parts kits only $70 could have bought 2 guns and 2 spare parts kits for less than $1K
Seems strange as the suomi is a SMG and designed to shoot SMG ammo which is much hotter than +P ammo.

Id bet they are saying not to shoot it to cover themselves based on it being an older gun.
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Old May 4, 2011, 03:58 PM   #23
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I'd say you're missing the BEST 9mm carbine from your list...the Calico Tactical Carbine
100-rounds of 9mm PER MAGAZINE!!!! 50-round mags also available...

http://www.ammoland.com/2010/03/24/c...eapon-systems/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqW3JvrHKrk

Mags interchange with the Calico Pistol as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQt35...eature=related
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Old June 11, 2011, 10:13 PM   #24
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I like the Keltec that takes the Glock 9 mags. I've had good luck with it so far and don't have to buy different mags for it.
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Old June 11, 2011, 10:51 PM   #25
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I have a storm and I love it, will shoot less than 2" group @ 50yrds open sights all day it's only down side is the goushy trigger. thier's lots of parts for them and come apart in very easy and not picky about ammo
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