dragons breath for self defense - Page 2

C0untZer0 · May 27, 2011, 08:50 AM

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"Nothing beats a load of 00 or 000 buckshot for home and self-defense."

Actually, yes it does: #0 Buckshot, #1 Buckshot, #4 Buckshot, BB Shot, and #2 Shot.

Gehr

I'm not so sure about pellets less #1, don't mean to make this a duplicate thread or put it into some weird loop, but here is a thread that discusses it:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452487

Basically, I'm just saying that Randy Wakeman makes a good case for #1 Buck and says in there that it is the smallest diameter shot that, from 2¾ shells, penetrate reliably to 12"

But it does go back to what I said previously - for any specialty load I would look at what it does in gel. If it's not penetrating to depths that perforate vital tissue, then you're relying on someother stopping factor (pain, psycological shock or fear) to stop the aggressor, other than depending on disrupting vital tissue.

Double Naught Spy · May 27, 2011, 09:45 AM

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OK, I was on youtube and saw these shotgun shells called dragons breath.
One of the videos the shooter used them on a manikin.

LOL, you saw the video with the fake Russian who does a lot of products like the AA12 shotgun.

No, the round would not be good for self defense. The fire you see the fake Russian start appears to be a fluid-based fire the way it spread so uniformly. I don't doubt it would catch clothing on fire, but also your house, yard, etc.

Dragon's Breath is exciting for starting bonfires, but not defense unless you are being attacked by zombies soaked in gasoline.

With that said, assuming the round is already legal in your given state, it would be legal for self defense in a situation where lethal force is legitimate. To my knowledge, no states stipulate what types of lethal force are legal for self defense. They simply state what constitutes lethal force and the conditions in which it would be lethal for use in self defense.

Dave McC · May 27, 2011, 09:47 AM

Stick with buckshot......

Gehrhard · May 27, 2011, 06:15 PM

The smaller shot, with #2 shot (.15 caliber "Swan Shot" back in the day) being the smallest, would be limited to something like 15 yard maximum Open Cylinder AD which stands for Apartment Defense.

Gehr

greyeyezz · May 28, 2011, 09:15 AM

They would be excellent for home defense, especially with highly flammable curtains.

Some posts never cease to amaze me.

Eghad · May 28, 2011, 02:22 PM

PT Barnum would be proud of products like dragons breath, bolo and flechette. They are called novelty rounds for a reason.

flechettes have already been tried by the military.

I am stickin with my double aught buckshot.

macmuffy · May 28, 2011, 02:40 PM

I seem to recall a story of some storyteller telling of his experience with a DB shell.

It was along the lines of the stories of :How to lasso a deer" and "How I tested a stun gun on myself prior to giving it to my wife".

ROTFL at all of them.

My google fu could not find these stories. Can anyone else find them?

.

Lee Lapin · May 28, 2011, 02:49 PM

I remember that one, if it's the same one you're thinking of- see if this is it: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i...p/t-21141.html

lpl

macmuffy · May 28, 2011, 03:57 PM

Thanks Lee.

that was the one I remembered.

(Just noticed our join dates. Did not realize that I had been lurking around like a bad smell for this long.)

**hogdogs** · May 28, 2011, 04:00 PM

Macmuffy, You and lee have been members since Moses was still breaking rocks to build the Sahara for Pharoah!!!

Brent

Lee Lapin · May 29, 2011, 10:20 AM

Still not as long as the really old guys, like Dave McC. 'Course, I first remember Dave from the old GunSpot forums, where the shotgun forum was moderated by Randy Cain...

. That was, what, 1997 or so, Dave?

That's a LONG time ago, in Internet years...

lpl

Dave McC · May 29, 2011, 09:40 PM

Darnfino,Lee. I started on the old Prodigy Network in the 80s. The Shooting Sports BB was modded by E M Count. She was a writer who did some factual stuff on the NYPD as well as fiction. Dean Spier was on there, along with a messa folks like the member now known as Kodiak Beer that are here and on THR now. I helped start the Archery BB and spent lots of time debating some rather loopy Animal Rights Activists.

Gunspot was maybe my fifth BB. I do think you're right about meeting there. Dunno about the date though.

triumph666 · May 30, 2011, 09:30 AM

there not good for self defense unless you intend to maim an blind the attacker with a shot in the face.....but the beat all hell scaring animals off of your property at night!!!!

seansean1444 · May 30, 2011, 01:48 PM

ABSOLUTLY!!! if he took a bath in gas with his clothes on 10 seconds prior...

johnbt · June 1, 2011, 10:36 AM

Fire hazard, what fire hazard?

A buddy who lives on a boat east of town was given a dragons breath shell. One night he decided to shoot it off the bow. The creek is about 75 yards or more wide with a little sand beach and scrub brush island on the other side.

He had to take his tender over and stomp out all the fires he started.

anonymousFolk · June 1, 2011, 01:29 PM

I think it is excellent for HD against invading scarecrows from the wizard of oz in my asbestos house

OK seriously I'd love to try them some 4th of July but no I'd never use for HD.

May 27, 2011, 06:15 PM	#29
Gehrhard Junior member Join Date: July 15, 2009 Location: East of the Missississippippi Posts: 675	The smaller shot, with #2 shot (.15 caliber "Swan Shot" back in the day) being the smallest, would be limited to something like 15 yard maximum Open Cylinder AD which stands for Apartment Defense. Gehr Last edited by Gehrhard; May 28, 2011 at 02:58 PM.

May 28, 2011, 02:22 PM	#31
Eghad Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 6,226	PT Barnum would be proud of products like dragons breath, bolo and flechette. They are called novelty rounds for a reason. flechettes have already been tried by the military. I am stickin with my double aught buckshot. __________________ Have a nice day at the range NRA Life Member Last edited by Eghad; May 28, 2011 at 02:31 PM.

May 28, 2011, 02:40 PM	#32
macmuffy Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 64	I seem to recall a story of some storyteller telling of his experience with a DB shell. It was along the lines of the stories of :How to lasso a deer" and "How I tested a stun gun on myself prior to giving it to my wife". ROTFL at all of them. My google fu could not find these stories. Can anyone else find them? . __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting, "Holy crap. What a ride.!"

May 28, 2011, 02:49 PM	#33
Lee Lapin Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 1,223	I remember that one, if it's the same one you're thinking of- see if this is it: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i...p/t-21141.html lpl __________________ Mindset - Skillset - Toolset. In that order! Attitude and skill will get you through times of no gear, better than gear will get you through times of no attitude and no skill.

May 28, 2011, 03:57 PM	#34
macmuffy Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 64	Thanks Lee. that was the one I remembered. (Just noticed our join dates. Did not realize that I had been lurking around like a bad smell for this long.) __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting, "Holy crap. What a ride.!"

May 27, 2011, 09:47 AM	#28
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 14, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,831	Stick with buckshot......

May 28, 2011, 09:15 AM	#30
greyeyezz Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2001 Location: N.E. OH Posts: 304	They would be excellent for home defense, especially with highly flammable curtains. Some posts never cease to amaze me.

May 28, 2011, 04:00 PM	#35
hogdogs Staff Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 10,691	Macmuffy, You and lee have been members since Moses was still breaking rocks to build the Sahara for Pharoah!!! Brent __________________ Finally have designs going up in the Hogdogs Outdoor Apparel online store. http://www.cafepress.com/hogdogsoutdoorapparel Thanks for lookin'...

May 29, 2011, 10:20 AM	#36
Lee Lapin Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 1,223	Still not as long as the really old guys, like Dave McC. 'Course, I first remember Dave from the old GunSpot forums, where the shotgun forum was moderated by Randy Cain... . That was, what, 1997 or so, Dave? That's a LONG time ago, in Internet years... lpl __________________ Mindset - Skillset - Toolset. In that order! Attitude and skill will get you through times of no gear, better than gear will get you through times of no attitude and no skill.

May 29, 2011, 09:40 PM	#37
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 14, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,831	Darnfino,Lee. I started on the old Prodigy Network in the 80s. The Shooting Sports BB was modded by E M Count. She was a writer who did some factual stuff on the NYPD as well as fiction. Dean Spier was on there, along with a messa folks like the member now known as Kodiak Beer that are here and on THR now. I helped start the Archery BB and spent lots of time debating some rather loopy Animal Rights Activists. Gunspot was maybe my fifth BB. I do think you're right about meeting there. Dunno about the date though.

May 30, 2011, 09:30 AM	#38
triumph666 Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2011 Posts: 371	there not good for self defense unless you intend to maim an blind the attacker with a shot in the face.....but the beat all hell scaring animals off of your property at night!!!!

May 30, 2011, 01:48 PM	#39
seansean1444 Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2010 Location: ithaca, new york (home of the ithaca shotguns!) Posts: 371	ABSOLUTLY!!! if he took a bath in gas with his clothes on 10 seconds prior...

June 1, 2011, 10:36 AM	#40
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 6,005	Fire hazard, what fire hazard? A buddy who lives on a boat east of town was given a dragons breath shell. One night he decided to shoot it off the bow. The creek is about 75 yards or more wide with a little sand beach and scrub brush island on the other side. He had to take his tender over and stomp out all the fires he started.

June 1, 2011, 01:29 PM	#41
anonymousFolk Member Join Date: March 24, 2011 Posts: 63	I think it is excellent for HD against invading scarecrows from the wizard of oz in my asbestos house OK seriously I'd love to try them some 4th of July but no I'd never use for HD.