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Old May 17, 2011, 05:54 PM   #1
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Short Barrel 44

Ive been doing some searching online for a small 44 cal BP pistol and was just wondering how it would be otherwise as far as recoil ... then only one i can find is a US marshal advertised one its a 4 and 3/4 in barrel and 10 and 3/4 over all but it looks kinda cheesy but i like how small it is my current black powder is pretty large its a ruger old army 45 so i was wondering if anyone has any opinions on the shorter ones and feed back would be appreciated.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat104503680

thats a link of the one i was referring to
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Old May 17, 2011, 07:05 PM   #2
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That's exactly the revolver I'd like to get. A used but unfired or slightly used one.

I've seen several on gunbroker in the $200.00 to $250.00 range but I always seem to miss out on getting them or else the seller is unreasonably charging $25.00 to ship it just to make extra money because they will easily fit into a USPO flat rate $10.95 box that will ship anywhere in the U.S.

Here's one I've been watching for awhile. It has gone through quite a few auction cycles with no bids. So I'm waiting to see if the price drops. This one is an earlier sheriff model and you can tell so by the early star on it that says "Sheriff" that is different from the current star that is a slightly different design and also doesn't have a "Sheriff" written in the middle of the star.

You can really save a lot getting them on Gunbroker or other auctions vs buying them brand new. For instance the one I'm speaking about is asking $225.00 (and may drop further in price) vs the one you showed from Cabelas that goes for $379.00

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=230654569

I doubt you will notice any significant difference in recoil from the longer barreled models being black powder doesn't create that much recoil anyway as compared to smokeless powder. It's definitely handy with that shorter barrel and will clear leather faster too. But still has that knock-em-down punch of a .44 (actually shoots a .. .451 or .454...which is slightly larger than an exact .45 caliber). Never could figure out why they called it a .44 when it isn't. But then again they call the German 7.92 rifle cartridge an 8mm cartridge.



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Old May 17, 2011, 08:08 PM   #3
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yeah something like this is exactly what ive been looking for if anyone else knows of any other ones in this style ive kinda been googling around with little luck
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Old May 17, 2011, 08:35 PM   #4
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As far as recoil goes, I explain to those who are first firing one of my BP revolvers that the recoil is going to be more of a push than a snap. Everybody seems to agree. I think that the short barrel will just give a bigger push.

I'd sure like to get one of those, too. They're sure purty!
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Old May 17, 2011, 09:18 PM   #5
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Bill, that is a beauty,
but at $225, it's almost the price of another 1873 from Tanners.

But I'd love to have it too though, nice holster.
The "fired just once" in the ad kinda' reminds me of the thing some friends of mine in the Gulf War said often, "AK-47, cheap, only dropped in the sand once."
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Old May 17, 2011, 10:02 PM   #6
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I know Josey. I've been thinking the same thing. With Tanner's Sports Center selling those fine Uberti Hombres for just $250.00 it makes one think twice about buying another BP revolver when they could have another Hombre instead for about the same price. My Hombres are so well made and of such good quality that in my opinion they are better machined and finished than any of my BP revolvers. So like you it kind of makes me not want to spend almost the same amount to get another BP revolver as I spent on my Hombres.

The only thing is....I already have two Hombres. I don't have one of those polished steel (not stainless) short barreled '51 sheriff model Colts. I'm waiting to see if the price comes down on that one I posted the link on. Maybe if it was $175.00 I might be temped. But it probably won't drop lower than $200.00 if it drops at all.

Then even if it DID drop to $200.00.....like you I'm back to thinking....heck, for just $50.00 more, I could get a .357 hombre to go with my two .45 Colt hombres. But with two .45 Hombres do I really need a .357 hombre? Or I could get another .45 Hombre....but do I NEED three .45 Hombres? Lol.

Then I also get to thinking....I already have two 1860 Colts, one a nickel and gold Pietta and one a nickel and gold ASM....plus a stainless Pietta short barreled 1858 Remy. So do I really need the short barreled 1851? Well okay I may not actually NEED it....but is it worth the price when I could get another Uberti Hombre for about the same price?

Decisions, decisions.

That's the problem with guns. You can't make up your mind which ones you are addicted to! It's like a kid in a candy store. You know you only have enough to just buy a certain amount of pieces of candy....but....you want them ALL! Although we joke about it, sometimes gun addiction can actually be a bad thing. What's bad is you can't get as many as you'd like! Lol.

Yes it is a nice holster in the ad. But (in my opinion) not worth the $100.00 they want just for the holster.

I know what you mean Josey about the "Only fired once" ads. Like how would we know? I mean how can we tell if it was fired 10 times vs just once?
Truth is we can't. Often times unscrupulous sellers who have no idea how many times the gun was fired will say about a gun that has obviously been fired SOME....that it was only fired once and then put away. Quite a common sales ploy used at the auctions. I always chuckle about that. If you had that handy sweet little short barreled '51 and you fired it...would you only fire it just that one time and then put it away and never fire it again? Lol.

I have two sets of unfired limited edition, 1 of 5000 nickel and gold Remys.
They are UNFIRED. Unfired is unfired. But to me once it is fired, it doesn't make much difference if it was only fired once or 20 times. Just as unfired is unfired,.....fired is fired. And there is no way a potential buyer can accurately tell if it was just fired once or more than once even upon close up inspection if the revolver was properly cleaned and maintained and not abused. So although I get a chuckle out of the ads, I take them with a grain of salt and hope when I buy that I'm not making a mistake. I sweat that out every time I buy used on auctions until the gun arrives and I can closely inspect it. So far I haven't gotten a lemon yet. But....."Caveat Emptor" (let the buyer beware).



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Old May 17, 2011, 10:06 PM   #7
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so is it true that there are conversion kits for alot of these blackpowders as well to shoot real cartridges
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Old May 17, 2011, 10:34 PM   #8
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Yes. Taylors makes the R&D conversion cylinder (I have a Taylors for my Remy) and there are Kirst conversion cylinders too. The Taylors is a drop in replacement that you have to remove each time to load it and the Kirst requires a cutout to be done on your recoil shield so that the cylinder can be loaded while in the revolver. The drop in conversion cylinders do not require the revolver to be reclassified nor require you to submit paperwork to the ATF for the cylinders. But unless you do the cutout work yourself on your recoil shield for the Kirst cylinder, the shop or gunsmith you have do it will have to reclassify your former BP revolver as a cartridge gun and you will have to fill out the ATF forms as you would with any post 1899 cartridge gun.



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Old May 17, 2011, 10:47 PM   #9
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eh disregard that them maybe ill just go and by two of the uberti cattlemen so i can play cowboy in my back yard lol
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