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Old May 15, 2011, 11:24 AM   #26
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There's an example where the state has maintained control and with wide spread consequences: the California emission standards for motor vehicles. The latest thing that has directly impacted me is lawn mowers. I needed a new one this year and got a surprise. Check out a new lawn mower these days, it will probably have a large label on the carton stating if it's CA legal or not. Zippy13
Right - I guess for me, I don't know which is worse and which government can be trusted less, the state government or the federal governmnet. There are cases for both making bad decisions.

I guess it would be better to have the states have power, because if the Federal government passes something like a handgun ban, then it's nation-wide. If only a state does it, like New Jersey (just for example), you can theoretically eventually move to a different state. It's not as easy to move to a different country, and of course there are lots of examples of European countries that have passed draconian anti-gun legislation to the detriment of their citizens.

In this context, a person could make a perfectly legal purchase of a shotgun in one state and find himself in serious trouble in Maryland.
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Old May 15, 2011, 11:48 AM   #27
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My understanding is that the interstate commerce law means that a third state can't interfere with the trade between a first and second state by preventing the passage of the goods through the third state.
It's been more than ten years since I studied the Commerce Clause, but that isn't quite correct. The Commerce Clause empowers the federal government to regulate interstate commerce.
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Old May 15, 2011, 11:52 AM   #28
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I recall reading in The American Rifleman, many years ago, about a soldier who was moving his household for a permanent change of station. He'd been stopped on the highway in an eastern state. A routine check had discovered a rifle that was legal where he'd been and where he was going, but prohibited in that state. He was up on felony charges, it had never occurred to him that a federally legal rifle packed with his household goods could be a problem. California is isolated in a corner of the US and can be easily avoided, not so with some of the other states.
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Old May 15, 2011, 11:58 AM   #29
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The Commerce Clause empowers the federal government to regulate interstate commerce.
And things associated with interstate commerce. It's a giant loop-hole through which federal tentacles encroach into state matters.
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Old May 15, 2011, 08:40 PM   #30
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Yep, 18" is legal, but 18 1/2" gives you extra insurance if BATFE ever has reason to measure your gun.
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Old May 15, 2011, 09:55 PM   #31
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Under federal law, if a shotgun barrel measures 18" it is legal. Adding length won't make it "more legal."
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Old May 15, 2011, 10:14 PM   #32
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If i have an 18 inch cylinder bore barrel, but wanted to add a breecher choke tube, could a gun smith do that, since the barrel isn't already threaded?
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Old May 15, 2011, 11:10 PM   #33
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Yes. The smith can thread your barrel to accept chokes and, as you say, a breecher is just another choke tube, unless you have a barrel with a brecher permanently affixed to the barrel as do some Mossberg models.
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Old May 16, 2011, 08:46 AM   #34
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as in it doesnt count towards the length of the barrel? Is there a way for him to permanently put in the breecher choke so that it became part of the barrel for legal reasons?... not a big deal b/c i checked the length from inside tip of the barrel w/ a rod down to the bolt at the end of the closed chamber and it was 18 1/2.
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Old May 16, 2011, 08:55 AM   #35
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Under federal law, if a shotgun barrel measures 18" it is legal. Adding length won't make it "more legal."
It's not "more legal" but it's a lot harder for an overzealous BATF agent to say "I don't know... Looks like 17.9" on my measure..."
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Old May 16, 2011, 09:35 AM   #36
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Very few people periodically calibrate their tape measure against a standard. I've seen different tape measures vary as much as 3/16" over 10' - that's why I use the same tape for an entire project. I know which side of 18" +/- 1/16" I'd rather be on.
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Old May 16, 2011, 08:40 PM   #37
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Is there a way for him to permanently put in the breecher choke so that it became part of the barrel for legal reasons?... not a big deal b/c i checked the length from inside tip of the barrel w/ a rod down to the bolt at the end of the closed chamber and it was 18 1/2.
There's a similar situation with rifles. M1-carbines and post-ban ARs come to mind. With the carbines, some GI versions had barrels that were too short. The solution was to permanently affix a flash suppressor with silver solder.

With the ARs, the legal issue isn't the length, but the threaded barrel. To get around that issue, pin the suppressor to the barrel and then grind the pin flush so it can't be easily removed.

Because the typical shotgun has a much thinner barrel than a rifle, pinning the breecher isn't a viable option. If you're planning to permanently affix a breecher, then why spend the money to have the barrel internally threaded? You might want to look into something with slip-over-and-solder configuration, like the old cutts or poly-choke.
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