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Old May 8, 2011, 09:47 PM   #1
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1851 london navy

What's the difference between the Uberti 1861 London Navy and the standard version of the '51 Navy?
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Old May 8, 2011, 10:55 PM   #2
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Difference between standard 1851 Navy and a London 1851 Navy is the grip frames and barrel address. Standard - Brass; London - Blued steel (Iron).

Difference between standard 1851 Navy and a London 1861 Navy is the same as above, plus the barrel profile. Standard - Octagonal Barrel with hinged loading lever; London 1861 - Round barrel with creeping loading lever.
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Old May 8, 2011, 11:00 PM   #3
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This is the reason that I like reading TFL, if you have a question, some one will give you a good answer, Bravo

BTW I didn't even know there was a London 1851 Navy, now I do.
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Old May 9, 2011, 08:21 PM   #4
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+1 thanks for the informative response.
OK, so my next question... who ended up with these London-made Colts? England? Did they just make them for Colt and ship them back to the USA, or were they purely for the 1850's commercial/private European market?
I've never really thought of middle 19th-century Europeans packing 1851 Colt Navys.
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Old May 9, 2011, 09:39 PM   #5
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Don't the London models also have the square backed trigger guard on the '51s?
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Old May 9, 2011, 10:28 PM   #6
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My understanding is that the vast majority of them were sold to the British government. At the time the factory was set up, the British were getting started in the Crimean war. Colt sold something like 25,000 of them to the Brits. Part of the reason that Colt sold so many of them was because the Adams couldn't make enough revolvers to fill wartime orders. But after the Crimean war, either Adams could keep up with peacetime orders or there was something of a wave of British nationalism, because Colt couldn't place nearly enough orders to justify keeping the British factory open. Virtually none were sold into the private market.

I don't think that production lasted all that long - maybe two or three years, if I recall correctly.
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Old May 9, 2011, 10:51 PM   #7
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The London Models had a round Steel Triggerguard and a blued Steel Backstrap. The squared triggerguards were on the very early 1851's.
The .31 Caliber Colt Pocket Model was also produced in London too.
I don't think the quality or anything else special was done to the London Models.
I really like mine! I especally like the look of the blued gripframe. It's just cool to have a Spanish clonegun that says "London" atop the barrel. Mine is an Uberti and the action is so smooth right out of the box feels like a tuned action.
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Old May 10, 2011, 07:08 AM   #8
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What is that?
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Old May 10, 2011, 07:17 AM   #9
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Mine is an Uberti .......
Again I tell you guys that Uberti is a man's name and as such "AN Uberti" is incorrect. It should be written "A Uberti". An example would be "A Ugandan citizen". You would not say or write "AN Ugandan citizen.

BTW, I don't care WHO wants to call me a 'grammar Nazi', improper use of the English language bugs me.
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Old May 10, 2011, 07:27 AM   #10
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And we don't care that it bugs you. Get over it.
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Old May 10, 2011, 07:30 AM   #11
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NO!

That's the problem with you and in this country. Nobody cares!

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Old May 10, 2011, 08:07 AM   #12
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That's the problem with you and in this country. Nobody cares!
No, not when you act like a three year old about it. This is not a grammer forum.
Hey mykeal, apparently YOU are the problem with this country. What have you got to say for yourself, mister?
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Old May 10, 2011, 08:18 AM   #13
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This is not a grammar forum, you are correct. But you are using the English language to communicate on it and since you are, you should use it correctly. Any time an issue about spelling or grammar is brought up by ANYONE, they are labeled a grammar Nazi or a three year old. If you don't give a sh!t fine, I do give a sh!t.
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This is not a grammar forum, you are correct. But you are using the English language to communicate on it and since you are, you should use it correctly. Any time an issue about spelling or grammar is brought up by ANYONE, they are labeled a grammar Nazi or a three year old. If you don't give a sh!t fine, I do give a sh!t.
You're labeled a "grammer nazi" because you, an adult, are trying to correct the spelling/grammer of other adults, like they are children in school. It has been many years since alot of folks on here were in school, or had to take instructions from anyone and they can get a bit testy when they are corrected.
You're labeled a "three year old" because when someone tells you they don't care about your pet peeve, you throw a tantrum and tell them they "are what's wrong with this country". All over grammer? Really?
Also, for the record......No, I don't give a $hit.

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Old May 10, 2011, 08:34 AM   #15
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So YOU don't give a sh!t, fine. Next? :barf:
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Old May 10, 2011, 08:36 AM   #16
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Poor little fellow. *sniff*
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Old May 10, 2011, 08:41 AM   #17
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You had your turn. Next!
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Old May 10, 2011, 09:17 AM   #18
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In re grammar Nazism

Just for the record, Uberti is pronounced "00-bear-tee", not "you-bertie."

That being the case, "an Uberti" is closer to the proper usage owing to the soft "u" which begins the name.

An 1873 Winchester, an armorer, a Colt, a Smith, etc.
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Old May 10, 2011, 09:52 AM   #19
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I do not agree. Uberti is a proper name. The indefinite article 'an' does not apply. A proper name can be pronounced very differently from the way it is spelled and therefore does not follow the rules of 'proper' grammar.
A Uberti is proper. A Ugandan is proper. A Unicorn etc. BTW, Uberti is not your name, so how do you know how it is pronounced? Listen to this video (on youtube) that is from the Uberti Firearms website, and then tell me how YOU think Uberti is pronounced!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUTFSXZuWb4
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Old May 10, 2011, 10:04 AM   #20
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What the heck does this nonsense have to do with the subject of this thread? You want to give a freaking grammer lesson, do it in a classroom. It has no business here.
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Old May 10, 2011, 10:11 AM   #21
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ZVP improperly mentioned that his gun was 'an Uberti' and I tried to educate the 'unwashed' masses like yourself who obviously don't give a crap about the English language and it's uses! Then you all tried to dump on me. Shame on you.
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Old May 10, 2011, 10:26 AM   #22
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Nobody cares about your self rightous BS. If ZVP wants to call it a GOAT, that's up to him. It's none of your business how he writes. You're an arrogant person.

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Old May 10, 2011, 10:30 AM   #23
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Ya know what, heck with it. Argue with yourself. I'm done.
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Old May 10, 2011, 10:31 AM   #24
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Man, this has descended into something strange.

If it makes any difference, I fired an email off to one of my coworkers at our Italian subsidiary and asked how "Uberti" was pronounced. He replied that the "u" vowel sound is almost exclusively sounded out as as soft "u", as in moon.

He said that the video pronounces "Uberti" incorrectly.

Buona giornata!

To steer this every so slightly back to topicality, he also mentioned that he's terribly jealous that Uberti and Pietta make some really great firearms that he's not allowed to own!
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You are correct. That is why I quit.
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