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Old April 22, 2011, 09:51 AM   #26
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Lawyers, Guns & $$$....

Here's a quick update;
A few of the other businesses in the strip mall are now going to file a civil lawsuit against the property mgr/landlord.

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Old April 22, 2011, 09:55 AM   #27
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if a cafe has to have a security guard then I would find another cafe and/or neighborhood.
Well then, if you feel you need to carry a gun and do so at home or work, then you need to move and/ change jobs, huh? When we engage in doing something to keep us safe, we call it being prudent. When others do it, we figure there must be something wrong and that they area should be avoided? Weird.

What is wrong with a cafe helping to ensure customer and employee safety? Maybe the guard is to keep people from walking out with the computers.
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Old April 22, 2011, 10:56 AM   #28
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As I posted in the other thread, these "internet cafes" are actually computer-based casinos that take advantage of a loophole in Florida law. It is not surprising that they would be the target of a robbery attempt.
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Old April 22, 2011, 11:13 AM   #29
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The nightly news report on that story told that these internet cafe's do a large cash buisness and that is what makes them attractive to the BG's. My hats off to the cafe for having someone there to defend the patrons.
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Old April 22, 2011, 12:26 PM   #30
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I read the article at the beginning of this thread. Where is the quote from this BG's mother saying what a nice boy he was and was trying to turn his life around?

If the article is correct, the only one who got hurt was the BG. Overall, you have to call that a good day.
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Old April 23, 2011, 09:50 AM   #31
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It gets better...

... as they've made an arrest, and are charging the surviving robber with felony murder since his partner was killed during the commission of their joint crime.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,7471124.story

Meanwhile, on the absurdity level, the arrestee and his lady apparently decided to case the joint ahead of the crime. The problem with that? They had to provide ID's for entry. Police checked the surveillance video from the cafe, thought they recognized the person in an earlier section of the tape, and went through ID's given in that timeframe.

Voila, arrested.

Guess if you're going to case such a place, provide phony ID.

A C/O friend of mine once told me, "These people aren't locked up in here because they are smart, or have good impulse control."
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Old April 25, 2011, 08:29 PM   #32
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First of all, it seems that the security guard was fired upon by one of the bad guys before he returned fire. Read the article that accompanies the video, it essentially says gun fire erupts, and the guard then fires. I would like to see a more detailed account but that sure makes it seem as if he was fired on first.

Secondly, the guard will most likely be found justified in the shooting of the bad guy who was fleeing because the bad guy still posed an imminent threat of harm because he was armed with a hand gun.

Third, didn't anyone else see the reaction of the other bad guy outside when shots rang out on the street. My guess is he was hit once if not twice judging by his movements which seemed to come right after the shots. He then seemed to have difficulty getting to the vehicle. Of course the article does not say he was shot but I figure that is because he has not yet been found. Of course, it could just be he fell down but I am thinking it was quite possible that the security officer nailed him too.
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Old April 25, 2011, 08:33 PM   #33
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So... the guy limping died? he hit him in the leg, must have hit the femoral artery.

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I am confused what happen with the BG and the SG, he had him at POINT BLANK. He was allowed to draw his weapon and start shooting, did the BG's even shoot at him?

Did the BG's get anything? It doesn't look like they got money.
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Old April 25, 2011, 08:52 PM   #34
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it's not a wi/fi internet cafe...it's GAMBLING (casino) slots...all the people have cash on them...it's a loophole they(orlando) are trying to close!!
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Old April 25, 2011, 09:05 PM   #35
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Oh, thats why the big screens....

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:barf: I was going to say who would rob a wi~fi place theres nothing there.
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Old April 25, 2011, 09:07 PM   #36
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According to the article, these locations typically have thousands of dollars in cash inside, hence the guard. His shooting the BG in the back is NOT going to go over too well from a legal standpoint - as mentioned, the lawsuits are just getting starting
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Old April 25, 2011, 10:22 PM   #37
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Honor among thives...

To clear up a few points about the cafe/gaming parlor shooting;
The subject that was wounded on scene later died at a local motel near the event & was left by his thug pals.
It's not openly known what type of weapon the cafe security officer used. My educated guess is a 9x19mm pistol but a few "old timers" still tote .38spl 6 guns. There are formal plans to allow G/armed security to carry .45acp, .357sig or .40S&W sidearms.
I'm not saying the 9x19mm isn't good enough for patrol use/defense but I'd rather pack a .357sig or .45acp. .40s, .45acp pistols are in use with most of the local PDs.
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Old April 25, 2011, 10:29 PM   #38
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I am still confused, The BG's saw the guard and him drawing his gun, were there guns unloaded or jammed or something? They didn't try to fight with him, he just drew.
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Old April 25, 2011, 10:30 PM   #39
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I have a sneaking suspicion that the "SG" may have been an off-duty LEO.

His actions seem to underline some sort of comprehensive training. I held both a D and a G license and we received NO training that would have caused us to respond in the way that he did.

If he is a LEO, I wonder if that will play out to his advantage in the ensuing legal actions?

Am I alone in this theory or does anyone else agree that it is a possibility?
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Old April 25, 2011, 11:13 PM   #40
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Armed security guard's actions & background...

I have not watched the cafe shooting video(s) in depth but I'd say the armed guard's response seems more of a surprise or a rapid reaction rather than some LE or conditioned training.
I do not like to speculate or assume anything. More facts or details may be made public. It could be the security officer was a retired cop or had tactical training. The armed guard in the Daytona Beach FL area drug store event posted on www.YouTube.com was a retired police officer.
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Old April 25, 2011, 11:16 PM   #41
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So... the guy limping died? he hit him in the leg, must have hit the femoral artery.
You know, the femoral artery isn't the only major blood vessel in the leg. There several others from which blood loss can be life threatening, even down into the lower leg.

However, he apparently was shot in the back.
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Old April 26, 2011, 05:14 AM   #42
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Double is correct...SG put it right in the middle of the back,his friends(so called) dumped him at a motel like clyde said.this is a normal evening in orlando...
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Old April 26, 2011, 06:23 AM   #43
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I am confused what happen with the BG and the SG, he had him at POINT BLANK. He was allowed to draw his weapon and start shooting, did the BG's even shoot at him?
It's hard to say that the BGs aren't stupid, but even they may not be stupid enough to walk in and start off by murdering a security guard at point blank range. They seemed to know that he was sitting just to the left of the door. I think they expected him to drop his hands and surrender rather than resisting.

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It's not openly known what type of weapon the cafe security officer used. My educated guess is a 9x19mm pistol but a few "old timers" still tote .38spl 6 guns. There are formal plans to allow G/armed security to carry .45acp, .357sig or .40S&W sidearms.
I ran the tape quite a few times and couldn't quite make it out other than to say that it looks stainless. I heard a total of 6 shots, all I believe from the guard, so that doesn't prove much either other than the last three were right at the end and he may have been emptying his gun (a revolver)? The picture would seem to indicate otherwise. I looked for other clues like holster type or the presence of magazines on his belt but can't say for sure one way or the other.


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I am confused what happen with the BG and the SG, he had him at POINT BLANK. He was allowed to draw his weapon and start shooting, did the BG's even shoot at him?
Aside from the stupid angle being mentioned and maybe expecting compliance, the gun may have been unloaded, not had a round chambered, on safe, magazine not fully seated (if a mag safety present), the perp may not have been pulling the trigger (pulling grip or guard), or afraid to pull the trigger.
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Old April 26, 2011, 04:10 PM   #45
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i did not watch the video online...but when they got into there car,they fired at least 2/3 rounds into the large front window,it shattered completely...
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Old April 26, 2011, 09:58 PM   #46
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Orlando FL area LE-off duty details...

I'd add on this forum topic that if the security guard WAS a sworn LEO or working a off duty PD approved job, he'd be in his duty uniform.

Orlando area sworn LE make anywhere from $25-45.00/per shift hour min by union mandate.
I also wouldn't think a "gaming cafe" would be allowed for off duty employment by most ethical LE agencies but in central Florida you never know.

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Old April 27, 2011, 12:39 AM   #47
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I'm shot yo!

Gary Bryant was on parole for robbery. That means that it was illegal for him to be carrying a gun, yet - there he was on camera carrying a gun.

I just don't understand it.
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Old April 27, 2011, 12:51 AM   #48
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Reminds me of this other thread:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...10#post4555410
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Old April 27, 2011, 12:39 PM   #49
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After watching this video a few times, I think these three only had 1 functioning firarm. BG#2 had a pistol trained on SG while BG#1 (Gary Bryant)tussled with him (why BG#1 didn't shoot is still a mystery), but as soon as the SG gets his firearm out of the holster BG#2 runs for it - exiting the shop. After BG#1 / Gary Bryant is shot in the doorway I think I hear BG#2 saying:

"Gimmie the pipe, gimmie the pipe!" Could that mean Gary Bryant's handgun? Gary Bryant hands something off to BG#2

You can see where the getaway driver fires the last three shots over the top of the car. When I first saw this video and I saw BG#2 jumping around as the last three shots were fired I thought that he was hit. I think BG2 was jumping around because he thought he was taking fire. It leads me to beleive that Gary Bryant (BG#1) had the only functioning firearm going into that shop.

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Old April 27, 2011, 12:45 PM   #50
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actually LoL'd on that one...

The video I saw, didn't have sound. Which one did?
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