.327 Federal Club thread - Page 15

Sevens · July 4, 2011, 11:52 PM

Ben Amonette, tech at ATK has personally confirmed for me that the factory loads all the .327 Federal ammo with CCI small rifle non-magnum primers. This is a 45k PSI max round and the rifle primer is called for to contain that pressure, so that's the primer you will want to use.

Nice little collection. And I agree that the Blackhawk is bound to be a strong platform, but I can't see it being any stronger than the GP-100 because the GP is a 7-shot and the B'Hawk has 8 holes bored through that .44 Mag sized cylinder. (you want TOUGH? My .30 Carb B'Hawk has the same sized cylinder your .327 B'Hawk has, but with only 6 holes in it. The meat between chambers is substantial)

Another option for a pretty stout .327 revolver? Freedom Arms makes a nice one that's probably not a wimp.

secret_agent_man · July 5, 2011, 12:42 AM

If you're going to carry big iron for self defense rather than the lighter 327 MAG revolvers that are available, might as well be chambered for 357 MAG.

jimbob86 · July 5, 2011, 12:45 AM

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If you're going to carry big iron for self defense rather than the lighter 327 MAG revolvers that are available, might as well be chambered for 357 MAG.

Except that you can get more bullets in the .327, of similar energy levels, with less recoil.

FrankenMauser · July 5, 2011, 02:19 AM

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I'm guessing the Blackhawk is about the toughest 327 available. At ~48oz it does noticeably deaden the recoil compared the the two small revos. I'm planing on starting with 100gr XTPs and H110. Not sure what primers to use, will probably default to small rifle. Have read about potential squib issues with H110/W296, so I'll be careful with starting loads.

I'm running Magtech and CCI small rifle primers behind all of my hot .32 H&R loads, and any of the moderate-to-hot .327 loads. Lil' Gun is great in .32 H&R. H110/W296 has done well in the .327 (but my testing is still pretty limited).

The Blackhawk is fun.

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If you're going to carry big iron for self defense rather than the lighter 327 MAG revolvers that are available, might as well be chambered for 357 MAG.

That depends on your point of view.
Some of us don't even care about the SD side of the cartridge. My (wife's) 48 oz behemoth is great fun to shoot, legal for deer and antelope, and does wonders on small game. For us, it's not an SD cartridge. It's a freezer filler, plinker, and critter gitter.

BBroadside · July 8, 2011, 10:18 PM

Small-frame guns aside, I'd like to know how many rounds you could put into larger weapon. If Taurus has an 8-shot .357, what would the equivalent size .327 hold? 9? 10?

Or in a 686 Plus? Eight or nine, I'd guess. With the bulk, recoil would be pretty nice, and 4" or 5" barrel would make noise pretty moderate. Sort of a gentle shooter with a sting. Not sure if they would sell though.

cornbush · July 9, 2011, 11:24 AM

I want a .327 10 shot Redhawk

Twoglocks · July 9, 2011, 05:35 PM

I have Taurus 327 Fed mag and Sp101 in 32mag reamed to 327 Fed. Taurus is light and I will cary it when I get my CCW permit. I will shoot SP101 soon but with 4" barrel it's going to be a blast. I can get 1500fps from that barrell so nothing is a miss, just what people like or dislike.
Actualy more guns showing up, like Ruger Single Action Blackhawk http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/62291

Sevens · July 9, 2011, 07:06 PM

Ha ha... the Bud's ad is funny... it says the capacity of this single action revolver is "8+1."

**Glenn E. Meyer** · July 9, 2011, 07:54 PM

It's an assault revolver obviously, better call Schumer and Diane.

Ralph G. Briscoe · July 11, 2011, 02:36 AM

I have a Smith 432 on order. I've been fascinated with the possibilities of the cartridge since its introduction--possibilites which have not been taken advantage of by gunmakers. Where is the ultra-slim, ultra-light 5 shot J frame?--it would be the easiest to carry of any defense-caliber revolver. Where is the 6 or 7 shot J frame, no thicker than a .38? Where is the 10-shot Nightguard? Where is the Marlin Lever-action in that chambering? The Colt Single-action? It's fundamentally a great defense cartridge for revolver lovers but it was not marketed as such. It was hardly marketed at all. I'm ordering this gun for my wife to keep in the nightstand--less recoil that .38 defense rounds. But I'm plan to shoot it a lot myself

Dain Bramage · July 11, 2011, 03:21 PM

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I'm ordering this gun for my wife to keep in the nightstand--less recoil that .38 defense rounds. But I'm plan to shoot it a lot myself

That's what happened with our Model 431. I carry that sucker a whole lot more than she does. But she still calls it "her" gun and is very proud to shoot it at the range.

Daggitt · July 11, 2011, 10:40 PM

I'm ordering a wife for my gun and while this wife is for my gun , I can still use it whenever....

BillCA · July 12, 2011, 03:44 AM

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If you're going to carry big iron for self defense rather than the lighter 327 MAG revolvers that are available, might as well be chambered for 357 MAG.

Why stop the bigotry there? If you're going to carry "big iron" a .44 Mag or .454 Casul is better than the .357 MAG.

Ballistics on the .327 overlap a good portion of the .357 Magnum so you're not giving up very much to the small bore.

**Glenn E. Meyer** · July 12, 2011, 05:40 PM

My 432 is a great light weight carry in cargo shorts. Six shoots, reasonable ammo. Got it cheap when SW discontinued them - wish I bought two!

BillCA · July 12, 2011, 10:25 PM

Glenn,

I heartily agree. My 432PD sees duty here in the front room "study" while I work and goes with me to answer the door. It works equally well in a jacket pocket or thunderwear type carry. You can almost forget it's in an ankle holster as a B.U.G. too. Moderate power (on a par with .380 or standard velocity .38 special) with six shots. Toss in a pair of speedloaders and for under 2lbs you're good to go.

secret_agent_man · July 13, 2011, 04:13 PM

A 32 H&R MAG Model 431PD or 432PD with a scandium alloy aluminum frame and titanium six-shot cylinder would approach 11 ounces empty. The ultimate balance between ballistics and weight, perhaps the ideal pocket gun.

zfk55 · July 13, 2011, 07:27 PM

Daggit
I'm ordering a wife for my gun and while this wife is for my gun , I can still use it whenever....

Daggit, I'm truly proud of a man who would order a wife for his firearm. I take it your revolver is a he?

Hammer It · July 14, 2011, 01:51 PM

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A 32 H&R MAG Model 431PD or 432PD with a scandium alloy aluminum frame and titanium six-shot cylinder would approach 11 ounces empty. The ultimate balance between ballistics and weight, perhaps the ideal pocket gun

Hello Secret Agent Man
I thought so too. A Few Years ago I gave a Mint Model 14-2 Target Masterpiece in .38 Special for my 431 P.D. S&W had it right making this gun and the P.D. Meant Persoanl Defense but for some Odd reason I guess low sales they discontinued it. Mine came brand new to me in box and has been carried in a Pocket rig since the day I got it every day with me...

Hammer It

Master Blaster 2 · July 20, 2011, 09:03 AM

I have an 93 year old uncle who I think could handle a .327 for home protection. He is pretty alert and capable of using a gun however not hot recoil.

Locoweed · July 20, 2011, 09:19 AM

I'm perfectly happy with my .38/.357 revolvers and don't really need another mouth to feed and yet another caliber of ammo to keep on hand. If they could make it up in a revolver smaller than a J frame I might be interested.

catzor · July 20, 2011, 07:49 PM

Looking for a .327. My first pick is the SP101, but assuming I can't come up with a used one, what is a preferable of the following two alternatives, Taurus 327 (2") or the Charter Arms Patriot (2.2")

Sevens · July 21, 2011, 10:54 AM

IMO, neither is preferable because the high pressure .327 round loses way too much juice in a barrel shorter than 3 inches.

Still, were I forced to choose, I prefer the build design of the Taurus over that of the Charter. The crane area on any/every Taurus is larger than the same part on any/every Charter. In actual use, neither gun maker has a stellar reputation for the best products in the industry.

I'd save my money and get the SP-101.

catzor · July 22, 2011, 08:29 PM

Secretly, that's what I wanted to hear. Will do!

CollapCzar · July 26, 2011, 09:18 PM

For Xmas I bought my dad a used SP101, w/ 357mag it kicks well. This is my point, .38spl not so great, .357, a little much for some. An xtra rd or 2 in a 25oz loaded revolver w/ a slim cylinder, 2/1/2 or 3in. barrel, and reliability of a revolver would/ does sound good to me. And faster follow up shots?!, usually a good thing if/ when needed. Ballistics I've seen are comparable to 40 S&W, the "end all rd". Reloading issue could be left to those who reload (not many of us who buy a pistol reload). 20$ for 20rds of SD ammo, no different than any other cal. Too bad the other calibers it will shoot aren't cheaper for plinking or practice. This is the rd I've been looking for in a CCW rev. Not necessarily a HD rev but it would do. 357 mag is a lot of kick for a woman protecting her children in the middle of the night. And for a man and CCW and the ability to practice, not sure what not to like. So many posts, I'm gonna go finish some more.

CollapCzar · July 27, 2011, 02:46 AM

To finish each post. I'm on page 13.
Thank you to all who are talking .327 fed mag and it's ability's. Also the guns that shoot it and those like it. To the man that shot the bobcat, cool. To the owner of the 'S&W .32-20 Model of 1905' on page 12, wow.. WOW.
Sorry for all you reloaders (for now).
Title, of this thread; '327- what went wrong'. OK, brass. Enough about brass. Brass will come by consumers buying the guns and shelf ammo.
I'm not a reloader, feel that it makes me a reg consumer. So, I need a gun, a reliable gun that I can CCW, and fire repeatedly/ comfortably if need be. The wheel gun makes it a little more reliable (I think

) than a pistol. I like my 9, a cheap KT P-11. I could use a revolver, preferably in this cal. Why? Cause I think it could be light, controllable, accurate and deadly if i need it be (see that bobcat?).
The "public" didn't buy it cause not enough to put it in. Regular Joe puts the round in the gun, not vice versa. Anybody notice the huge increase in anything pocket carry. This could be it.
So maybe i was wrong to say 2/1/2 in bbl. How bout 3/1/2? My buddies Glock in .40 would probly still be bigger. I'm thinking slim nightguard (think 686). Hell, I love that gun, wish i could afford one, and a Glock in 10mm. But if I could more readily CCW that 686. That's what I think is hurting the .327 FedMag.

July 4, 2011, 11:52 PM	#351
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 6,935	Ben Amonette, tech at ATK has personally confirmed for me that the factory loads all the .327 Federal ammo with CCI small rifle non-magnum primers. This is a 45k PSI max round and the rifle primer is called for to contain that pressure, so that's the primer you will want to use. Nice little collection. And I agree that the Blackhawk is bound to be a strong platform, but I can't see it being any stronger than the GP-100 because the GP is a 7-shot and the B'Hawk has 8 holes bored through that .44 Mag sized cylinder. (you want TOUGH? My .30 Carb B'Hawk has the same sized cylinder your .327 B'Hawk has, but with only 6 holes in it. The meat between chambers is substantial) Another option for a pretty stout .327 revolver? Freedom Arms makes a nice one that's probably not a wimp. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

July 9, 2011, 11:24 AM	#356
cornbush Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Location: The retarded place below Idaho Posts: 1,356	I want a .327 10 shot Redhawk __________________ The best shot I ever made was an accident

July 9, 2011, 07:06 PM	#358
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 6,935	Ha ha... the Bud's ad is funny... it says the capacity of this single action revolver is "8+1." __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

July 9, 2011, 07:54 PM	#359
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,303	It's an assault revolver obviously, better call Schumer and Diane. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

July 11, 2011, 02:36 AM	#360
Ralph G. Briscoe Member Join Date: February 8, 2011 Posts: 58	Failure to market I have a Smith 432 on order. I've been fascinated with the possibilities of the cartridge since its introduction--possibilites which have not been taken advantage of by gunmakers. Where is the ultra-slim, ultra-light 5 shot J frame?--it would be the easiest to carry of any defense-caliber revolver. Where is the 6 or 7 shot J frame, no thicker than a .38? Where is the 10-shot Nightguard? Where is the Marlin Lever-action in that chambering? The Colt Single-action? It's fundamentally a great defense cartridge for revolver lovers but it was not marketed as such. It was hardly marketed at all. I'm ordering this gun for my wife to keep in the nightstand--less recoil that .38 defense rounds. But I'm plan to shoot it a lot myself

July 5, 2011, 12:42 AM	#352
secret_agent_man Junior member Join Date: March 25, 2011 Posts: 463	If you're going to carry big iron for self defense rather than the lighter 327 MAG revolvers that are available, might as well be chambered for 357 MAG.

July 8, 2011, 10:18 PM	#355
BBroadside Member Join Date: June 6, 2010 Posts: 86	Small-frame guns aside, I'd like to know how many rounds you could put into larger weapon. If Taurus has an 8-shot .357, what would the equivalent size .327 hold? 9? 10? Or in a 686 Plus? Eight or nine, I'd guess. With the bulk, recoil would be pretty nice, and 4" or 5" barrel would make noise pretty moderate. Sort of a gentle shooter with a sting. Not sure if they would sell though.

July 9, 2011, 05:35 PM	#357
Twoglocks Member Join Date: April 24, 2011 Posts: 49	I have Taurus 327 Fed mag and Sp101 in 32mag reamed to 327 Fed. Taurus is light and I will cary it when I get my CCW permit. I will shoot SP101 soon but with 4" barrel it's going to be a blast. I can get 1500fps from that barrell so nothing is a miss, just what people like or dislike. Actualy more guns showing up, like Ruger Single Action Blackhawk http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/62291

July 11, 2011, 10:40 PM	#362
Daggitt Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2011 Posts: 270	I'm ordering a wife for my gun and while this wife is for my gun , I can still use it whenever....

July 12, 2011, 05:40 PM	#364
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,303	My 432 is a great light weight carry in cargo shorts. Six shoots, reasonable ammo. Got it cheap when SW discontinued them - wish I bought two! __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

July 12, 2011, 10:25 PM	#365
BillCA Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, Ca Posts: 7,023	Glenn, I heartily agree. My 432PD sees duty here in the front room "study" while I work and goes with me to answer the door. It works equally well in a jacket pocket or thunderwear type carry. You can almost forget it's in an ankle holster as a B.U.G. too. Moderate power (on a par with .380 or standard velocity .38 special) with six shots. Toss in a pair of speedloaders and for under 2lbs you're good to go. __________________ BillCA in CA (Unfortunately)

July 13, 2011, 04:13 PM	#366
secret_agent_man Junior member Join Date: March 25, 2011 Posts: 463	A 32 H&R MAG Model 431PD or 432PD with a scandium alloy aluminum frame and titanium six-shot cylinder would approach 11 ounces empty. The ultimate balance between ballistics and weight, perhaps the ideal pocket gun.

July 13, 2011, 07:27 PM	#367
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Montana Posts: 300	Daggit I'm ordering a wife for my gun and while this wife is for my gun , I can still use it whenever.... Daggit, I'm truly proud of a man who would order a wife for his firearm. I take it your revolver is a he? __________________ Latigo www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

July 20, 2011, 09:03 AM	#369
Master Blaster 2 Junior member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 895	I have an 93 year old uncle who I think could handle a .327 for home protection. He is pretty alert and capable of using a gun however not hot recoil.

July 20, 2011, 09:19 AM	#370
Locoweed Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 613	I'm perfectly happy with my .38/.357 revolvers and don't really need another mouth to feed and yet another caliber of ammo to keep on hand. If they could make it up in a revolver smaller than a J frame I might be interested.

July 20, 2011, 07:49 PM	#371
catzor Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 104	Looking for a .327. My first pick is the SP101, but assuming I can't come up with a used one, what is a preferable of the following two alternatives, Taurus 327 (2") or the Charter Arms Patriot (2.2")

July 21, 2011, 10:54 AM	#372
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 6,935	IMO, neither is preferable because the high pressure .327 round loses way too much juice in a barrel shorter than 3 inches. Still, were I forced to choose, I prefer the build design of the Taurus over that of the Charter. The crane area on any/every Taurus is larger than the same part on any/every Charter. In actual use, neither gun maker has a stellar reputation for the best products in the industry. I'd save my money and get the SP-101. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

July 22, 2011, 08:29 PM	#373
catzor Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 104	Secretly, that's what I wanted to hear. Will do!

July 26, 2011, 09:18 PM	#374
CollapCzar Junior Member Join Date: July 25, 2011 Posts: 5	Who is, missing the point, me or you? For Xmas I bought my dad a used SP101, w/ 357mag it kicks well. This is my point, .38spl not so great, .357, a little much for some. An xtra rd or 2 in a 25oz loaded revolver w/ a slim cylinder, 2/1/2 or 3in. barrel, and reliability of a revolver would/ does sound good to me. And faster follow up shots?!, usually a good thing if/ when needed. Ballistics I've seen are comparable to 40 S&W, the "end all rd". Reloading issue could be left to those who reload (not many of us who buy a pistol reload). 20$ for 20rds of SD ammo, no different than any other cal. Too bad the other calibers it will shoot aren't cheaper for plinking or practice. This is the rd I've been looking for in a CCW rev. Not necessarily a HD rev but it would do. 357 mag is a lot of kick for a woman protecting her children in the middle of the night. And for a man and CCW and the ability to practice, not sure what not to like. So many posts, I'm gonna go finish some more.

July 27, 2011, 02:46 AM	#375
CollapCzar Junior Member Join Date: July 25, 2011 Posts: 5	Sorry for not waiting To finish each post. I'm on page 13. Thank you to all who are talking .327 fed mag and it's ability's. Also the guns that shoot it and those like it. To the man that shot the bobcat, cool. To the owner of the 'S&W .32-20 Model of 1905' on page 12, wow.. WOW. Sorry for all you reloaders (for now). Title, of this thread; '327- what went wrong'. OK, brass. Enough about brass. Brass will come by consumers buying the guns and shelf ammo. I'm not a reloader, feel that it makes me a reg consumer. So, I need a gun, a reliable gun that I can CCW, and fire repeatedly/ comfortably if need be. The wheel gun makes it a little more reliable (I think ) than a pistol. I like my 9, a cheap KT P-11. I could use a revolver, preferably in this cal. Why? Cause I think it could be light, controllable, accurate and deadly if i need it be (see that bobcat?). The "public" didn't buy it cause not enough to put it in. Regular Joe puts the round in the gun, not vice versa. Anybody notice the huge increase in anything pocket carry. This could be it. So maybe i was wrong to say 2/1/2 in bbl. How bout 3/1/2? My buddies Glock in .40 would probly still be bigger. I'm thinking slim nightguard (think 686). Hell, I love that gun, wish i could afford one, and a Glock in 10mm. But if I could more readily CCW that 686. That's what I think is hurting the .327 FedMag.