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Old April 5, 2011, 05:54 PM   #1
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bringing firearm to nj for flight to ak

i am driving from where i live in colorado to my parents house in nj to visit before going back to work in alaska. i want to bring my 44 (and hunting rifle)with me as i need it for work. will i encounter problems trying to fly out of newark or if i were to get stopped in nj while in transit to my parents house? the gun is obviously legally purchased by me in CO. if this scenario is foolish whats the best way to get my gun to ak?
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Old April 5, 2011, 06:15 PM   #2
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Why not simply ship the guns to someone you know in Alaska?
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Old April 5, 2011, 06:18 PM   #3
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would i need to do that through a ffl?
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Old April 5, 2011, 06:20 PM   #4
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I would not take any handgun into nj unless it was registered there. Look at the news from those morons lately, they will throw you in jail quickly.

Best to stay entirely out of that state (like Lebanon, Syria, and Libya). However, if you must go there I would mail the pistol back to your residence in AK before you enter nj. Legal to do so and much better than risking an attempt to fly an illegal weapon out of jersey. They do not care that you are the legal owner who bought it in CO, you are not legal in nj with it.

I will not enter nor fly through nj for any reason after the illegal arrests that they have pulled recently on legal gun owners.
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Old April 5, 2011, 06:21 PM   #5
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If you are shipping them to yourself and you have an address in AK you're good to go. They are your property, no transfer is happening.
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Old April 5, 2011, 06:28 PM   #6
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i live in housing provided by my employer in ak so i dont have a real residence, do you think i would be ok mailing them to my employers hangar where i usually get my mail sent?
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Old April 5, 2011, 06:46 PM   #7
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I would not take any handgun into nj unless it was registered there. Look at the news from those morons lately, they will throw you in jail quickly.
If you go to check those firearms before your flight, you will certainly risk being thrown in jail.

Google it, but a guy recently had his flight diverted to NJ, was forced to stay over night and was arrested the next day when he checked in at the airport since he had "un-registered" guns in the state of NJ.

Eventually the charges were dropped after the dude spent 7 to 10 days in jail before he was released on bond. He tried to sue the Port Authority after the fact but the case was tossed by the judge because "he did have un-registered firearms in the state."

Stay far away from NJ with your guns.
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Old April 5, 2011, 08:09 PM   #8
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The story is that about a year or two ago a guy got arrested for bringing a handgun into NJ. He was flying into Newark and then going onto PA. His flight got cancelled out of Newark and they gave him a hotel room in NJ. Because he took possession of the handgun in NJ and took it to the hotel room (and he did not have a NJ permit or whatever is required) they arrested him when he came back to the airport to go onto PA. If he had left it at the airport he would have been OK. Just another reason to hate New Jersey. Sorry guys but that particular state should be abolished and absorbed into Pennsylvania- but PA won't have it!

It took him forever to get his guns back.

I would not bring a gun into that crappy state. I avoid driving into it whenever I can.
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Old April 5, 2011, 08:45 PM   #9
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i grew up there and made my escape from the Peoples Rebulic of nj years ago. thanks for the info guys, it will certainly keep me out of hot water.
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Old April 5, 2011, 09:22 PM   #10
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Read on here for awhile:

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.p...9-nj-gun-laws/

Then keep your guns out of this state!

You know what can happen here, and Obama and crew will try their best to make the rest of this country follow-suit.
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Old April 5, 2011, 09:24 PM   #11
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Well I once heard a story of a man who was having a layover in NJ. His flight got canceled so he left the airport with his rifle (which was legal in NJ) and went to a hotel. When he came back to next morning and tried to check his gun he was arrested and charged with illegal possession of a firearm. Why? Because he did not possess an NJ Firearms Purchase ID card.

In NJ the are very few execptions which allow someone to even have a firearm (handgun or rifle) in vehicle or on them without a NJ carry permit (which is nearly impossible to get). These include going to the range, hunting, moving, and going to the dealer. There may be a few other. Anyhow I would not risk it.
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Old April 5, 2011, 09:36 PM   #12
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You can send the guns by common carrier (fedex or ups) to your employer's hangar.

Address them to yourself and make sure whoever signs for them doesn't open the package(s).

You can mail the rifle (us mail), but not the pistol.
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Old April 5, 2011, 10:23 PM   #13
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I don't think you should even bring the handgun into New Jersey. You'll undoubtedly be illegal before you even get to the airport, so why risk it?

The following is from the NJ section on www.handgunlaw.us

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New Jersey Law also states that before possessing or transporting any rifle or shotgun without first having obtained a New Jersey firearms purchaser identification card (FPIC), or possessing or transporting any handgun without first having obtained a New Jersey handgun carry permit is a violation of their law.
You can transport it from place of purchase to home. Home to a Certified Shooting Range. Going hunting but must have a valid hunting license. You just can’t have it in your vehicle. Again the law says you must have a FPIC or NJ Carry Permit to even transport firearms in NJ. From all I read and have heard someone from outside NJ must have a very good reason to transport a firearm into NJ and better have the proper paperwork.
And don't forget that, in general, hollowpoint ammo is also illegal in NJ. (You can buy it, you just can't put it in a fireamr, basically.)
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Old April 5, 2011, 10:27 PM   #14
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And don't forget that, in general, hollowpoint ammo is also illegal in NJ. (You can buy it, you just can't put it in a fireamr, basically.)
Not true. Yes there are restrictions of hollow points. They are only legal for the purposes of target shooting and hunting. This means that you can't have the ammo outside of your home if your not going target shooting or hunting.
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Old April 5, 2011, 11:06 PM   #15
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Not true. Yes there are restrictions of hollow points. They are only legal for the purposes of target shooting and hunting. This means that you can't have the ammo outside of your home if your not going target shooting or hunting.
That's why I said "generally." You also can't have it in your firearm while on the way to or from the range, only AT the range.

For practical purposes, then, my half-facetious statement that you can buy it but you can't put it in a gun is "generally" accurate.
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Old April 5, 2011, 11:30 PM   #16
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pretty ridiculous that you have to apply to a govt body to exercise your rights, its like applying to speak your mind with the first amendment. needless to say i will make other accommodations. thanks guys
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Old April 6, 2011, 03:57 AM   #17
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You'd think that with Gov. Christie in office, now would be the perfect time to enact change to the socialist firearms adgenda of that ridiculously un-constitutional state...


But right after you think that, you remember that we're talking about New Jersey here...
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Old April 6, 2011, 02:01 PM   #18
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New Jersey, home of the Democrats and Unions. Probably the highest amount of lawyers per squaremile also................

Can't get rid of the Democrats while the Unions run the state. Can't get rid of the Unions with the Democrats in office.

Until BOTH are gone we can't excersize our 2nd Amendment Freedoms.

Where in this country can you buy more than one handgun per thirty days? Not in NJ!

Where in this country can you walk into a store and buy a bolt-action rifle with just a valid drivers license? Not in NJ!
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Old April 6, 2011, 02:18 PM   #19
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i live in housing provided by my employer in ak so i dont have a real residence, do you think i would be ok mailing them to my employers hangar where i usually get my mail sent?
OK, silly question... who is your employer? They have at least one hangar, so I assume they do something having to do with aircraft.

If it's an airline or a charter service, could you simply ask them to send your guns on the next flight north that can accommodate an extra ~15lb package?

FWIW most of the online threads about shipping firearms concern the USPS or commercial common carriers that handle small parcels (i.e. FedEx and UPS), but there's no reason you can't legally send firearms via other means of commercial transportation if this option is available to you.
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Old April 6, 2011, 02:39 PM   #20
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good thought but our planes only fly in ak so it wouldnt work, ill just ship it
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Old April 6, 2011, 03:40 PM   #21
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Here's an idea:

At the right time and with the proper preparation, planning and legal oversight, I would like to see an entire flight booked up by a group properly transporting firearms according to the FOPA.

We could take private coaches from, say, Philadelphia directly to the airport and check in en-masse in Newark for a flight into, say, Pittsburgh and then back through Newark for direct transportation back to PA. Everybody would line up to check in and declare the firearms at once.

Essentially DARE them to arrest the entire passenger list.

The monetary damages and political fallout from documented, malicious, and illegal enforcement activity could be tremendous. If they are unrepentant after they lose, do it again and again until their LE resources are exhausted and they don't have time or money left for anything else.
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Old April 6, 2011, 03:42 PM   #22
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And then do it in New York City.
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Old April 6, 2011, 05:19 PM   #23
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good thought but our planes only fly in ak so it wouldnt work, ill just ship it
Please re-read the text I quoted in post #13. How to get the gun from NJ to AK is NOT your problem. Your problem is that it is not legal for you to have the gun in NJ 0-- at all.
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Old April 6, 2011, 06:58 PM   #24
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Except under federal law in strict compliance with the firearms owners protection act. This is a technical point perhaps because it doesn't mean you won't be arrested.

So I wouldn't suggest an individual try this on their own, only that there is federal protection if you are traveling to a place where you may legally posses the firearms, FROM a place that you may legally possess them, if they are unloaded and locked in a hard sided container.
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Old April 7, 2011, 03:51 AM   #25
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Here's an idea:

At the right time and with the proper preparation, planning and legal oversight, I would like to see an entire flight booked up by a group properly transporting firearms according to the FOPA.

We could take private coaches from, say, Philadelphia directly to the airport and check in en-masse in Newark for a flight into, say, Pittsburgh and then back through Newark for direct transportation back to PA. Everybody would line up to check in and declare the firearms at once.

Essentially DARE them to arrest the entire passenger list.
The monetary damages and political fallout from documented, malicious, and illegal enforcement activity could be tremendous. If they are unrepentant after they lose, do it again and again until their LE resources are exhausted and they don't have time or money left for anything else.
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They would arrest the entire passenger list without a second thought.

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Except under federal law in strict compliance with the firearms owners protection act. This is a technical point perhaps because it doesn't mean you won't be arrested.

So I wouldn't suggest an individual try this on their own, only that there is federal protection if you are traveling to a place where you may legally posses the firearms, FROM a place that you may legally possess them, if they are unloaded and locked in a hard sided container.
Federal law doesn't amount to a hill of beans if you take possession of the firearms while in New Jersey without the requsite FOID and registration. Without jumping through the proper legal hoops with NJ before you take possession of the firearms (locked hard-sided case or not) you would be in violation of NJ law. Period.

The only protection the FOPA gives you in this scenario is if you're flying from a state where you're legal to possess the firearms (for instance, Vermont), have a layover in New Jersey (where you do not take possession of the firearms, and arrive at your destination where you are legal to possess said firearms (for instance, Georgia). The moment you stop in NJ and take possession, they will arrest you.
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