The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Hunt

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 30, 2011, 09:01 PM   #1
Cowboy_mo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 896
What 243 bullet for coyotes???

I recently bought a rifle in 243 Winchester for coyote hunting. I plan to load my own but can't decide on the bullet weight and mfg.

If anyone has had success with a particular bullet mfg. and weight please share your experience.
Cowboy_mo is offline  
Old March 31, 2011, 06:04 AM   #2
Daryl
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 11, 2008
Posts: 2,350
Use whatever shoots best from your rifle. No bad choices, other than the size of the hole they'll leave. The .243 will anchor coyotes without issue, no matter the bullet used.

and all bullets from this cartridge, if loaded to "normal" velocities, are going to leave an exit hole on a broadside shot. Loads using powders such as Trailboss do not quality in this statement.

I've used 55 & 70 gr Nosler BT's, Sierra SPBT's of various weight, and various Speer bullets as well. Since I use 100 gr bullets for big game with the .243, that's what I've shot a majority of coyotes with, too.

Right now, I load Speer 100 gr SPBT's almost exclusively in this cartridge. They shoot extremely well from my rifle, and cause far less damage to meat than Sierra bullets I've tried, with better penetration. I refuse to pay extra for Nosler Partitions or Speer Grand Slams in this cartridge, mostly because they have a lower BC, and I've seen no real improvement in performance on game from them.

If the furs are to be saved, I highly recommend something like a .223 or .17 Remington. The larger centerfires are hard on coyote fur.

Daryl
Daryl is offline  
Old March 31, 2011, 09:37 AM   #3
Hunter Customs
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 26, 2005
Location: Osborn, Missouri
Posts: 1,731
I agree with what Daryl posted.

I have two rifles in 243 caliber and at times I use both for shooting coyotes.
Both rifles are Reminton 700's, one has a bull barrel 24 inches long, the other has a 20 inch barrel in standard hunting configuration.

The bull barrel gun loves the heavier bullets; I've been loading Nosler 95 gr BT's for it.
It will shoot 3/8 inch groups at 100 yards all day long with the 95 gr BT's, it sure does anchor the coyotes.
It's my long range shooter, I have it sighted in at a 300 yard zero.

My short barrel gun seems to prefer the lighter bullets, I'm loading Sierras 70 gr HPBT bullets for it.
It shoot's 5/8 inch groups at 100 yards with these bullets.
I have it sighted at a 200 yard zero and the 70 gr Sierras seem to do a good job at anchoring the coyotes.

I'm using the same powder in both loads but different charge weights.

Best Regards
Bob Hunter
www.huntercustoms.com
Hunter Customs is offline  
Old March 31, 2011, 11:16 AM   #4
Sensai
Member
 
Join Date: October 14, 2008
Location: Southeastern Virginia
Posts: 86
75 grain V-maxes work for me, but I treat coyotes as varmints rather than furbearers.
__________________
Gary

Take-offs are optional, landings are manditory!!
Sensai is offline  
Old March 31, 2011, 01:55 PM   #5
FrankenMauser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: 1B ID
Posts: 6,653
To save pelts, an 80gr FMJ would do well.

If you don't want pelts, use anything you want... 75 gr HP, 65/75/87 gr V-Max, 70/80/90/95 gr Ballistic Tip -- or use the 'yotes as practice for big game, and use your standard hunting load.
__________________
"Such is the strange way that man works -- first he virtually destroys a species and then does everything in his power to restore it."
FrankenMauser is offline  
Old March 31, 2011, 04:25 PM   #6
Scorch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2006
Location: Washington state
Posts: 11,407
When I had a 243, it was the Hornady 87 gr BTSP that got my vote.
__________________
Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs.
But what do I know?
Summit Arms Services
Taylor Machine
Scorch is offline  
Old March 31, 2011, 05:22 PM   #7
Doodlebugger45
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 15, 2009
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 1,717
Completely agree with what's been said so far. For whatever reason, my .243 will shoot 95 and 100 gr bullets very well. I use Hornady SST or BTSP, whatever I find on sale. It's easy to find a good accurate load for those weights, several powders work well. But being stubborn, I am still trying to find a good load for the 75 gr bullets. They aren't bad for accuracy, just not as good as the heavier bullets are. So far, my best 75 gr load is just a match for some factory Winchester 80 gr stuff I had. I'll keep trying, but for now if I want an accurate round, I pull out the 95 or 100 gr loads.
Doodlebugger45 is offline  
Old March 31, 2011, 07:49 PM   #8
Cowboy_mo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 896
Thanks Guys!!!!!!!!!

I bought some 90 Prvi and 100 gr Federals to sight in and see what the rifle will do with factory loads and to acquire a supply of cases. I am looking for some 58 gr Hornadys for something light.

I been looking for modified case but the whole world seems to be out of stock.

What powders have you guys used for your loads?
Cowboy_mo is offline  
Old April 1, 2011, 12:52 AM   #9
A_Gamehog
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 9, 2009
Location: Central Oregun
Posts: 559
The most critical point not mentioned is the twist of your rifle,

That dictates the bullet and range of weights. Then the powders.

Good advice above but it's pointless without the twist of YOUR gun not theirs.

Then the facts will follow with their experience they can answer your question.

If you have a slow twist you won't be able to shoot 90-105's

Sorry if this seems blunt but one detail of your success is missing.

This forum is great in that whatever reloading question you are facing somebody here already solved the problem.
__________________
"Happiness is knowing the Barred Owl is Eating the Spotted Owl and environmentalists are watching Nature take it's course"

Last edited by A_Gamehog; April 1, 2011 at 01:06 AM.
A_Gamehog is offline  
Old April 1, 2011, 01:50 AM   #10
FrankenMauser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: 1B ID
Posts: 6,653
Quote:
I am looking for some 58 gr Hornadys for something light.
Be aware that many shooters complain of accuracy problems with the 58 gr V-Max (including myself, and my brother). I generally avoid anything under 75 grains (1:10" twist, here).
__________________
"Such is the strange way that man works -- first he virtually destroys a species and then does everything in his power to restore it."
FrankenMauser is offline  
Old April 1, 2011, 01:58 AM   #11
kenno
Junior member
 
Join Date: November 3, 2008
Posts: 180
I once lept out of a moving truck and hit the ground running with a loaded 45 in my hand, saw a coyote running away from me, shot and killed it with one shot through the heart as we were both running.
I was driven to do that thing by the desire to learn if I could do the same in combat. Perhaps that experience saved my life. I occasionaly wonder about the coyote's point of view, it has not stopped me from shooting yoteys.
Virtually any common 243 bullet load will work well on yotes; but it is best to remain the triggerman, not the person that becomes one with the target.
kenno is offline  
Old April 1, 2011, 04:02 AM   #12
jgcoastie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 15, 2009
Location: Kodiak, Alaska
Posts: 2,098
Quote:
I once lept out of a moving truck and hit the ground running with a loaded 45 in my hand


Doesn't seem very safe to me...
__________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." -Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.
jgcoastie is offline  
Old April 1, 2011, 08:17 PM   #13
Cowboy_mo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 896
Frankenmauser??

What kind of accuracy are you getting with the 58 gr? If we're talking 1.5 inch or less at 100, I personally would have no complaint.

I checked the Winchester site and my rifle with the 22" barrel calls for a 1 in 10" twist.
Cowboy_mo is offline  
Old April 1, 2011, 08:48 PM   #14
Scout
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 9, 2009
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 464
I once lept out of a moving truck and hit the ground running with a loaded 45 in my hand, saw a coyote running away from me, shot and killed it with one shot through the heart as we were both running.
I was driven to do that thing by the desire to learn if I could do the same in combat. Perhaps that experience saved my life. I occasionaly wonder about the coyote's point of view, it has not stopped me from shooting yoteys.
Virtually any common 243 bullet load will work well on yotes; but it is best to remain the triggerman, not the person that becomes one with the target.
___

Huh?
__________________
God bless the U.S. Cavalry
Scout is offline  
Old April 2, 2011, 01:13 AM   #15
FrankenMauser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: 1B ID
Posts: 6,653
Quote:
Quote:
I once lept out of a moving truck and hit the ground running with a loaded 45 in my hand, saw a coyote running away from me, shot and killed it with one shot through the heart as we were both running.
I was driven to do that thing by the desire to learn if I could do the same in combat. Perhaps that experience saved my life. I occasionaly wonder about the coyote's point of view, it has not stopped me from shooting yoteys.
Virtually any common 243 bullet load will work well on yotes; but it is best to remain the triggerman, not the person that becomes one with the target.
___

Huh?
Think "Gecko45", and you'll be on the right track.




Quote:
What kind of accuracy are you getting with the 58 gr? If we're talking 1.5 inch or less at 100, I personally would have no complaint.
1.5" would have been a disappointment, from that rifle... but acceptably accurate. Instead I was getting 7" at 100 yards. :barf: Multiple powders; multiple seating depths; no improvement.
__________________
"Such is the strange way that man works -- first he virtually destroys a species and then does everything in his power to restore it."
FrankenMauser is offline  
Old April 2, 2011, 08:03 AM   #16
Rifleman1776
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 25, 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 3,309
I used to use Sierra Blitz. They were the type that fragmented on contact. Object was predator/vermin control and safety. Fragmenting meant any contact with rocks, branches, etc. would not allow the bullet to travel a 1/2 mile or more to area homes or people. I did not care about saving pelts. Dead critters stayed where they dropped for the vultures.
Rifleman1776 is offline  
Old April 2, 2011, 09:55 AM   #17
langenc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 19, 2007
Location: Montmorency Co, MI
Posts: 1,187
All good opinions.
Now mine-depending on how many will be shot(at) yearly and the distance--why not just get practice for deer season?? Just use the deer bullet(s).
That will give wonderful practice for other shooting. I guess you didnt mention deer hunting w/ the 243. That's what Id do and have done..

Ill bet you wont shoot more than 20-25 rounds/ year.
langenc is offline  
Old April 2, 2011, 10:07 AM   #18
jimbob86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 4, 2007
Location: All the way to NEBRASKA
Posts: 6,702
Quote:
Dead critters stayed where they dropped for the vultures.
$10-$20 at the fur buyer's is $10-$20 bucks ...... I know it ain't a lot, but it'd make a good dent in a box of bullets, a pound of powder, etc.....

.... oh, the good ol' days, when a dead winter coyote brought $50+, and gas was 79 cents a gallon...... ..... I got my first deer rifle (a lightly used Rem 788 in .243 in 1983) for less money than my uncle got for a light colored coyote ....
__________________
TheGolden Rule of Tool Use: "If you don't know what you are doing, DON'T."

http://nefirearm.com/
jimbob86 is offline  
Old April 2, 2011, 01:33 PM   #19
Hunter Customs
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 26, 2005
Location: Osborn, Missouri
Posts: 1,731
"$10-$20 at the fur buyer's is $10-$20 bucks ...... I know it ain't a lot, but it'd make a good dent in a box of bullets, a pound of powder, etc....."

jimbob86,
I might have to start driving to your part of the country to sell the yotes.
The fur buyers down this way offer about six dollars if you don't mess up the hide when you peel them and the holes you shoot in them are not to large.

I wish the state or county would pay a bounty on them, like some states do.

I killed 27 last season, most I threw in the ditches some I did not even bother to go pick up.

There was a guy I was giving them to year before last but I could not get in touch with him this year.

Best Regards
Bob Hunter
www.huntercustoms.com
Hunter Customs is offline  
Old April 3, 2011, 01:24 PM   #20
Rifleman1776
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 25, 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 3,309
To me, the most valuable coyote is a dead coyote. They stink so bad you would have to pay me way-way more than $20.00 to skin one. The bullet I choose ruins the hide. I choose the bullet for safety. Where I shot houses and barns could be seen a 1/2 mile to about 2 miles from my property.
Rifleman1776 is offline  
Old April 4, 2011, 08:11 PM   #21
Hunter Customs
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 26, 2005
Location: Osborn, Missouri
Posts: 1,731
Cowboy mo, to answer your question on powder, I use IMR4831.
However I'm sure there's a lot of good powders that will work in the 243.

Best Regards
Bob Hunter
www.huntercustoms.com
Hunter Customs is offline  
Old April 4, 2011, 09:14 PM   #22
Cowboy_mo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 896
Thanks Hunter

I went ahead and ordered some 100 gr speer bullets since they could be used for deer if I decide to take this rifle deer hunting. I already use IMR 4831 for my .270 loads so that is on hand.

I just ordered a Lee Deluxe set of dies since it included both neck sizing and full length sizing dies.

I'm sure the 100 grainers will anchor a yote (providing the nut behind the trigger does his job).
Cowboy_mo is offline  
Old April 5, 2011, 08:10 AM   #23
Eagle Eye
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 10, 2011
Location: Kansas
Posts: 178
Quote:
.... oh, the good ol' days, when a dead winter coyote brought $50+, and gas was 79 cents a gallon...... ..... I got my first deer rifle (a lightly used Rem 788 in .243 in 1983) for less money than my uncle got for a light colored coyote
....
I feel like an old fart....I remember gas at 19 to 24 cents.
Eagle Eye is offline  
Old April 5, 2011, 02:37 PM   #24
FrankenMauser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: 1B ID
Posts: 6,653
Quote:
I feel like an old fart....I remember gas at 19 to 24 cents.
There's a gas station here, that has been vacant for many years. It is perpetually advertising "Going Out of Business - Drain Our Tanks - Unleaded 54¢ - Regular 49¢". I feel old, when I remember the days when it was still open. Yet, most of my family can barely remember gas at 99¢ a gallon, and only myself, my older brothers, and parents can remember still getting leaded gasoline.



Quote:
I'm sure the 100 grainers will anchor a yote (providing the nut behind the trigger does his job).
They should do just fine.

If I wanted to save pelts, I would probably use an 87 gr SP or 95 gr SST... just because they're also my hunting loads, and I have plenty on hand. If I wasn't saving pelts, the 75 gr HP would come out.
__________________
"Such is the strange way that man works -- first he virtually destroys a species and then does everything in his power to restore it."
FrankenMauser is offline  
Old April 8, 2011, 10:26 PM   #25
WIN71
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 28, 2005
Posts: 639
lite and fast

I started shooting the 243 in a Rem. 600 in 1965. Ten years later I replaced it with a Rem 700 varminter. There wasn't the wide selection of bullets then, no plastic tips of any kind. I pretty much stayed with Sierra's in 60 gr. H.P. flat base and 70 gr. HPBT match. Both were fast, 37-3800fps, flat shooting and accurate.

Groups were less than 1/2 inch at 100 and at times 5/8" at 200. It didn't take long to figure out that under all that hair ole Wiley wasn't very big. We did most of our shooting at around 6000 foot altitude on flat snow covered ground. Range estimation was difficult at best. That had a lot to do with our choice of bullets.

If I were to start over now I would for sure try the Ballistic tips, and v-max bullets. I’ve had good luck with them in both 222 and 22-250. I would still stay on the lite, fast side
__________________
Air goes in and out. Blood goes 'round and 'round.
Any variation on this is a very bad thing.
개인 정보를 보호하십시요
WIN71 is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.13584 seconds with 7 queries