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Old March 23, 2011, 01:22 PM   #51
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Am I the only one to remember limiting magazines to 10 rounds didn't come from the anti-gunners - It was Bill Ruger's idea when he had a lapse of brain activity and blurted that bit of total nonsense out one day .
I remember it, too. Ruger was throwing a bone to protect his company, at least in his mind. SAAMI and NSSF supported limiting magazine capacity at that time, too.

I'm on board with the philosophy that the Connecticut bill is pure flim-flammery.
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Old March 23, 2011, 01:30 PM   #52
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Just buy revolvers. Problem solved.
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Old March 23, 2011, 03:04 PM   #53
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Today is Wednesday, the public hearing on this bill was this morning. Any sitrep from CT members who attended?
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Old March 23, 2011, 03:21 PM   #54
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If they're wanting the hi-cap pistol mags, then we should all buy hi-cap Rifle mags...

The proposed Connecticut law is not only for handgun magazines. It covers ALL magazines.
That was a Revolution Joke, sorry I forgot the smiley...
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Old March 23, 2011, 03:34 PM   #55
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I would not turn in my magazines. I will always uphold my personal duty to disobey an unjust law. Ill just do so quietly... Keep you hi cap magazines, buy one 10 round mag.

I promise you, there will be no police knocking on your door to collect your guns or parts of guns. They dont have the cajones, and I dont blame them.
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Old March 23, 2011, 05:58 PM   #56
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You move to another state.

You spend all your money there.

Maybe, someday, the state you moved from will WAKE UP,

pull it's head out of it's most sunshine free spot,

and look around and realize what's happening. If not,

W H O CARES???
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Old March 23, 2011, 07:07 PM   #57
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You can sell them online or at a gun show or trade them for 10-round mags here on the forum.
And all the criminal dirtballs will snap them up, since they don't give a hoot about those or any other laws.....

As usual, the idiots are still running the asylum........
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Old March 23, 2011, 07:38 PM   #58
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Well I guess you have 2 options. Sell the magazines and buy new ones or permanently plug the magazines. Also the gun will be just as valuable.
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Old March 23, 2011, 07:45 PM   #59
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The left wing of this country wants the USA to become a European Nation so bad they can't stand it. The Obamacare law was just one step. Taking away our guns rights is another step. One conservative supreme court judge dies while Obama is in office and watch our gun rights go out the window quickly without a vote. We have a fight on our hands boys & girls.
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Old March 23, 2011, 08:01 PM   #60
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Thank God for the Republic of Texas.

A Bennelli Super Black Eagle with 5 loads of 3-1/2" Magnum lead will do almost as much damage or maybe in the right situation, as much, as a high cap mag in a venue like a bar or a restaurant. What then? Will it be time to outlaw semi-automatic shotguns designed for bird hunting?
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Old March 23, 2011, 08:17 PM   #61
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A Bennelli Super Black Eagle with 5 loads of 3-1/2" Magnum lead will do almost as much damage or maybe in the right situation, as much, as a high cap mag in a venue like a bar or a restaurant. What then? Will it be time to outlaw semi-automatic shotguns designed for bird hunting?
Yes, that shotgun will be outlawed if someone uses it "in a venue like a bar or restaurant", to kill people indiscriminately; even if it's designed for bird hunting. Anti-gunners do not waste an opportunity to further their agenda.
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Old March 23, 2011, 09:34 PM   #62
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i wouldn't worry about it to much, theres nothing that says you cant carry 5 mags lol . And what do they think they will accomplish by this, i doubt criminals will follow the law! Dam lefties got to ruin everything, the only good thing lefties have created are ambi-releases lol
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Old March 24, 2011, 12:20 AM   #63
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A couple of more thoughts:

This just reinforces the decision I made 7 years ago to buy a quality albeit bare bones 1911 platform. All things considered including the absence of a perfect world by man's standards, it is the quintessential pistol choice in the .45ACP caliber.

Is your freedom worth moving to another state for? That's a tall order to leave family and friends for isn't it. In my case both parents are dead. My mother predeceased Dad and when he passed away, the aftermath was not pretty due complications from his personal affairs and his second wife. I have absolutely no ties to his family now. Most of mother's siblings are gone. The ties I have on her side are very strong. If I lived in what can correctly be called a Marxist-leaning state, I would have no qualms with leaving to live in an area with governance as our Founding Father's intended. I would spend a lot of money to visit and stay in touch with Mom's side of the family but the price would be more than worth it.

I see America becoming increasingly more polarized. There are states that will never relinquish there rights period------they will remain free----TX, LA, MS, AL, ND, SD, ID are the ones I can identify. It is simply not worth risking your good name and status as a non-felon if you believe in the RTKABA. The other aspect is we as gun owners need to do everything we can not to support any state against the 2nd Amendment as our FF intended. I know that is probably impossible but something is better than nothing.

Finally, and I practice what preach, all reading this need to make the sacrifice to teach as many young people, their parents and all legally qualified who want to learn about firearms how to shoot. All of us here tend to be proud of our firearms. There is not a person reading this who should not have one if not two firearms dedicated for teaching others how to safely operate a firearm----more specifically a .22LR rifle and .22LR pistol. We must; not we should; we must be teaching America's youth how to responsibly use and enjoy pistols, shotguns and rifles. If we do not, you will see what the original poster is describing in states we would never dream of in the years to come. I am not worried about TX and LA. I have also lived in AR and KS---I am not sure about those states. When push comes to shove, Arkansas will always follow the will of the Democrat party---that may sound far fetched but I assure you it is reality. I am just not sure about Kansas. I think they would stand with freedom but I am not certain. I will only speak for the states I have lived in. Texas is phenomenal. I see people coming here due to the high tech industry whom you would never believe would want to get into guns that love it---from India, China, Pac Rim nations, Marxist leaning states in America. Once they taste freedom, they are hooked. The answer is one person at a time.
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Old March 24, 2011, 12:58 AM   #64
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Wow...

Lawmakers everywhere seem to forget that the Virginia Tech massacre was the result of one man with multiple magazines. His Walther P22 only held 10 rounders.
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Old March 24, 2011, 05:53 AM   #65
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I thought he was packing a Glock 19?
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Old March 24, 2011, 07:02 AM   #66
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According to following article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgini...killer#Weapons
He used a Walthers P22 and a Glock 19. According to the article, he used 10 round mags in the P22. I believe the standard mag in the Glock 19 is 15 round.

I suppose if someone uses a steak knife for murder, that steak knives should be outlawed. And box cutters? Remember 9/11?

Good thing I learned to defend with my hands as a Marine, however in my old age I will use my hands to yield my concealed handgun.
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Old March 24, 2011, 10:00 AM   #67
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Handguns were banned in Britain and then knife attacks jumped up in statistics. When my wife visited a couple of years ago they were considering banning knives as well. The point is crime is not completely avoidable. Criminals do not care about the laws. Who's going to follow this ban? Law abiding citizens who want to protect themselves from criminals. Who won't follow it? Criminals who just gained another advantage over there victim.

I wish that the shooter in AZ would have been shot by a law abiding, gun carrying citizen. But of course it was a democratic rally so no one would have evil guns there. Maybe if the media would show guns helping citizens avoid crime it would be more accepted. But they just focus on the triple homicide, not granny who scared away an intruder with a gun.

Living in CA and getting into firearms too late to beat our hi-cap ban, I have never had the pleasure of owning one. It pains me to see more states heading down this path. At least we were allowed to keep grandfathered mags. The fact to me is that they are seizing legal property without compensation is illegal. That is in the fifth amendment.

Be warned that the next step they tried to take here was making it hard to get handgun ammo. They made it so it had to be locked away at the store. You were going to have to be finger printed everytime you bought handgun ammo. And they banned Internet sales of handgun ammo. Luckily it was struck down here but doesn't mean it wouldn't be elsewhere. Make sure you support politicians, whichever side, who will protect the second amendment. Good luck.
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Old March 24, 2011, 11:08 AM   #68
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The countries that have taken guns away from their citizens are now focusing on knives since knives are the weapons that are being used by the criminals. The poor law abiding citizens won't even be able to protect themselves with a knife in the future. It simply makes it too easy for the criminals to rob anyone they want since they know their victims won't be armed. Liberals don't get it. Taking guns or knives away from law abiding citizens doesn't make them safer. It makes them an easy target of criminals who don't follow the laws of the land like their victims do.

An armed society is a civil society. A disarmed society is a collection of sitting ducks.
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Old March 24, 2011, 11:38 AM   #69
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Taking guns or knives away from law abiding citizens doesn't make them safer. It makes them an easy target of criminals who don't follow the laws of the land like their victims do.
Well, if they do take my guns away and limit my knives, I think we'll see an increase in farming tools: like the sickle, hatchet and axes I have in the garage [near the gun cleaning equipment].

Historically, the movement to 'control' weapons had more to do with controlling the population from being able to resist the government than it did making the neighborhood 'safe'. Unfortunately few study history anymore.

One of those good quotes of Thomas Jefferson's [and there were a few bad too] was when he said that 'History is the most important subject to study', or something like that. He was referring to how it educates us about our rights and the need to stand up for them.

It makes me wonder if the government of the U.S. is focusing upon English and Math education solely for the reasons of workplace jobs, or if it helps to shift the focus away from citizenship and history. Just a thought.
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Old March 24, 2011, 04:41 PM   #70
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In states that limit magazines but grandfather "pre-ban" ones, how is it determined if your magazine is pre-ban? Do you have to produce a dated receipt for every one over the limit to legally keep it?
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Old March 24, 2011, 04:54 PM   #71
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I've heard from several LOEs in my state. This law is not enforceable. Unless the mag specifically says "For Law Enforcement purposes only" (Glock used to do that), there is really no way to tell whether the mag was manufactured before or after the original ban. I purchased 3 (NEW) pre-ban Beretta 92fs mags a couple of years ago. The receipt specifically states it (so I'm covered) and the dealers swears that the distributor is telling the truth about the manufacture date, but I'd swear these were of more recent manufacture.
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Old March 24, 2011, 04:57 PM   #72
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Hey - the so-called "assault Weapons ban" ran from 194 to m2004 - doesn't anyone remember how it worked onlt 7 years later?

You kept the magazines you had regardless of capacity but licensed dealers could only sell mags holding 10 or fewer rounds and new gun purchases were so affected.


The "black market" was hot - though - since "private parties" made bundles selling "high capacity" magazines.
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Old March 24, 2011, 05:06 PM   #73
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In states that limit magazines but grandfather "pre-ban" ones, how is it determined if your magazine is pre-ban? Do you have to produce a dated receipt for every one over the limit to legally keep it?
Here in CA you don't have to prove it's a pre-ban mag. They have to prove it's not and that's not easy to do. They don't prosecute it much. At least that was what was explained to me from the Calguns forum.
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Old March 24, 2011, 06:00 PM   #74
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Here in CA you don't have to prove it's a pre-ban mag. They have to prove it's not and that's not easy to do. They don't prosecute it much. At least that was what was explained to me from the Calguns forum.
That is my understanding too.

I was informed by a few LEO's I know that they basically look at the handgun and follow up if it is obvious. For example, If I have a high capacity [argh!, it is STANDARD CAPACITY! 10 is diminished capacity!] for a S&W M&P I am in violation without any question. No M&P before 2000, thus no question-I'm a felon.

However, for my Browning Hi Power they note that the guns I have are 1991 and 1993 production [if they even check] and see the design predates 2000 significantly, so probably no reason to investigate.

However, I am also 40. If I looked less than 30 years old they might start to push on any magazine, as I may have been too young to own a gun before 2000.

By the way, I bought 2 15 round magazines for my FS Baby Eagle 9 off the shelf of a gun shop in December of 1999 [for WAY too much $]. This wasn't a 'trunk deal' in an alley, but a real LGS.

The magazines were new old stock, manufactured before 1994. Manufacturers could not manufacture new magazines for sale to civilians after 1994, but I was given to understand that it was legal to buy/sell pre-ban magazines from gunshops at that time, new off the shelf. That is why I got hosed for $80 for each of my 'pre-ban' magazines, when a 10 rounder cost $20 new. Everything made between 1994 and 2004 was supposed to have some version of L.E.Agency only on it.

I could be wrong. I thought I acted legally. I just made sure to get them before the ban for the gun I was saving for.
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Old March 24, 2011, 08:48 PM   #75
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If your mag capacity is limited to 10 rounds:

BUY A 1911 VARIANT in .45 ACP and consider yuourself still well armed.

Then complain to your representative in the legislature.
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