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Old March 20, 2011, 12:18 AM   #1
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Norinco Trench Gun

Hello all, i spotted a replica winchester 1897 trench gun by norinco at the gunshop today, they wanted $350 for it! Should i go for it? I dont have alot of money to spend on high end firearms but this one is affordable to me. I firgure this would be great for cowboy action shooting. Also i collect ww2 firearms, if i get it, where could i locate the bayonet and heatshield to go with it? Im haven trouble finding them. Your opinions are very important to me so depending if you guys say, yay or nay will depend if i buy it or not. I look forward to hearing from yall.
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Old March 20, 2011, 03:42 AM   #2
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Are you sure you're not talking about the Norinco riot gun? The trench gun comes with the heat shield and bayonet lug.

Also, I don't think the "trench" gun is allowed in Cowboy Shooting Action, only the riot gun.

$350.00 sounds like an average price for one, if it's in nice condition.
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Old March 20, 2011, 04:39 AM   #3
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What Gyvel said. The trench gun has the heat shield and bayonet lug already on it and is not legal for CAS. It is legal without them. The trench gun configuration is the best of the Norinco 97's. Some of the early riot guns had some issues and funky wood.
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Old March 20, 2011, 12:07 PM   #4
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Oh yes i know that you can not use the trench gun in SASS, i just call it the trench gun with out thinking but if i did want to convert it where would i find the heat shield and bayonet at? and you say that the early generatoins of these norinicos had some problems. How do i tell that this is not one of them? I look forward to your reply.
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Old March 20, 2011, 01:14 PM   #5
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I have a Norinco 97 and its a third gen. It's been trouble free but the wood is crappy. Borrowed this from sassnet.

there is a general (incorrect) assumption that the generational changes can be figured out by the (3) starting numbers of each serial number.

(example): 998XXXX (1998/1999), 000XXXX (2000), 010XXXX (2001), 020XXXX (2002), 030XXXX (2003) and 040XXXX (2004). All these numbers tell you is what year the frame was cast, milled and serial numbered.

A 1st and 2nd. generation, yes, but subsequent generational changes were so numerous, that they were lumped together right in the middle of production, and this started in 2001 with serial numbers starting 010XXXX (7 digits), and continued until 0103200 (approx) as the 3rd. generation of modifications and improvements.

The 4th generation started just after those numbers and included (among other things) a major change to American Walnut stocks from Missouri.

So, if you have a serial number in the 0104500 range, it will have pretty nice walnut stocks, an upgraded carrier (at the cam pivot circle), an improved left extractor and a narrower, lightened firing pin (to prevent breakage from dry firing).

The 5th generation is far easier to identify because the pistol grip on the walnut buttstocks was changed to the (E) model flat (not rounded) design of the original (E) model Winchester 97.

Also, all "Trench Guns" are of the 5th generation and are actually pretty good guns, as the metallurgical tolerances were much more closely watched, and also, these guns had some more internal changes, to include another change to the firing pin, (to make it safer), and upgrade to the ejector, right extractor and an improved and much lighter and thinner mainspring.
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Old March 20, 2011, 06:00 PM   #6
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Thx ill certainly print this off and take it with me when i go in the shop tommorow to make my decision if im buying it or not. Thanks a bunch for all your help.
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Old March 27, 2011, 05:10 PM   #7
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Hawg Haggen, Thank you so much for all the help and great information you gave me. I printed off what ya told me and took it to the shop. Its a 5th generation model. So i went ahead and bought it. It shoots great!!! It will be exellent for cowboy action shooting. Once agian thank you for all your help with this purchase
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Old March 27, 2011, 07:45 PM   #8
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You're most welcome. Glad I could help.
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Old March 27, 2011, 07:53 PM   #9
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How bout a pic? Here's mine crappy wood and all.

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Old March 27, 2011, 08:48 PM   #10
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lol, you guys should know that you immediately made me stop, crack the safe and try to figure which version i had....bobn
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Old March 28, 2011, 11:10 AM   #11
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Hawg....

...ain't ya supposed to use the shotgun to shoot the snake -- not make him pose with it?

This hit a chord with me since I spent 20 minutes a weekend ago trying to get a shot at a copperhead that had wondered up to my house with my 1907 model 1897 that my daughter and I use for CAS. My wife was perplexed as to why I had one in the chamber and one in my hand....CAS-style.....while tryin' to get that little bugger (about 2.5 feet) to get away from the house so I could get a clear shot.

I finally had to explain to her that it often doesn't feed well from the magazine.....and no, that doesn't usually make a difference in SASS shoots since we load over the top one at a time anyway. She didn't "get it."
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Old March 28, 2011, 03:31 PM   #12
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Well if you'll notice, the snake in the pic doesn't have a head. He didn't have much choice about posing.
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Old March 28, 2011, 03:33 PM   #13
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Hawk Heggen's picture is cool.
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Old March 28, 2011, 04:18 PM   #14
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Thank ya. Here's a different view. You can see the missing head better. Well, maybe you can't see the missing head, cuz if you could see it it wouldn't be missing.

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