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Old November 17, 2013, 05:20 PM   #76
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Old November 17, 2013, 06:54 PM   #77
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(3) Always make sure the cylinder stop plunger is properly lubricated and moves freely, or the cylinder will "free wheel," possibly causing a misfire.

The biggest PITA was the tiny spring loaded plunger that acted on the cylinder stop. It would either (A) corrode in the hole (dissimilar metals) or (B) the owner would use WD-40 and, when the WD-40 turned to varnish, it would stick in the hole.
What would be a proper lubricant for that area?

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(2) If you drop it and it hits somewhere else besides the grip, you have a chance of jarring the hammer strut out of its cup on the underside of the hammer. The strut will then lodge to the rearmost portion of the underside of the hammer. You won't realize it until you go to either cock the revolver or fire in DA; The hammer will travel part way back then stop cold.
Mine gets dry fired a lot. I'd notice.

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The only plastic grip frames are on the Undercover Lite.
My steel Undercover has a plastic grip frame.



I took mine mostly apart. (Dumb thing, don't ask.). The trigger is a major PITA to get back in to place.
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Old November 17, 2013, 07:48 PM   #78
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hm, would it be possible to replace it with a metal grip frame?

As for Dan, I've heard that the patriot .327's had some problems, apparently charter frames didn't hold up well to .327 pressures. Have you had any problems?
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Old November 17, 2013, 07:54 PM   #79
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hm, would it be possible to replace it with a metal grip frame?
I don't see why not. And I don't see why you would. This grip frame appears to be a fiberglass impregnated plastic. It should be quite strong.

I see metal grip frames on ebay a lot. (Scouting somewhat for a wood stock set for it.)

Next time I see a current Bulldog, I'll check to see what the grip frame is made of.
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Old November 17, 2013, 09:51 PM   #80
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One must remember that revolvers, by their very design, are nowhere near as rugged as semi-autos. So dropping them on hard surfaces can cause all kinds of problems, no matter WHO makes them. Drop a Colt or S&W on the ground and you can easily knock the cylinder out of alignment. Same with using a revolver as a club, like so may movies show being done.
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Old November 17, 2013, 11:52 PM   #81
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What would be a proper lubricant for that area?
Anything that doesn't turn into a varnish after 3 months. A good quality oil will do just fine.

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Mine gets dry fired a lot. I'd notice.
Yes, you would know immediately, but a lot of my clients were (to put it politely) not the brightest bulbs in the pack when it came to firearms. (This was back in Miami.)

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My steel Undercover has a plastic grip frame.
To me, that's a definite improvement. According to the description by another poster, that would be a lot less prone to cracking or breaking if dropped than the aluminum. Either way, it's still an easy fix.

And, yes, the trigger is somewhat of a PITA to get back in, so don't feel bad.
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Old November 18, 2013, 02:23 AM   #82
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Dan-O: Nice pics! Beautiful guns.

Oops...I just dropped my Charter and it broke in half. And it fell on the carpet too!
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Old November 18, 2013, 04:36 AM   #83
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Yes, you would know immediately, but a lot of my clients were (to put it politely) not the brightest bulbs in the pack when it came to firearms. (This was back in Miami.)
I know exactly what you mean. I still can't believe some of the stuff I hear around here pertaining to guns, especially revolvers.

On a more related note, my Bulldog has an aluminum frame. It was manufactured in 2010, if I'm not mistaken.
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Old November 18, 2013, 10:00 AM   #84
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The Bulldogs and Pitbulls definitely have aluminum frames.
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Old November 19, 2013, 06:31 PM   #85
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As for Dan, I've heard that the patriot .327's had some problems, apparently charter frames didn't hold up well to .327 pressures. Have you had any problems?
Haven't had any issues with mine, and I mostly shoot .327 mags out of it.
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Old November 20, 2013, 10:49 AM   #86
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I reload for 40 S&W and tried some of my 200 grain swc in the Pitbull without success. I loaded them long for my semi auto due to the powder I used, HS-6, which filled the case and made a compressed load.
I just bought some Titegroup and loaded some rounds.
Good news is that Titegroup takes half of what HS-6 required at 3.5 grains.
I was able to load the 200 grains swc with no problems and seat them to the proper depth so they fit in the cylinder and seat properly.
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Old November 20, 2013, 11:16 AM   #87
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Many years ago we had this same discussion regarding the fragility of dropped revolvers.

It got to be so annoying that I started dropping my Charter Arms Off Duty out of my office window on the second floor of my home and onto the concrete patio about 15 feet below.

I did that repeatedly, and made sure to drop it so that it would land in various aspects.

I enclosed it in heavy plastic bags so that the finish wouldn't get too chewed up.

IIRC (I recounded it all here) I dropped it close to 20 times, and it came through unscathed.

I got it to land on BOTH sides of the cylinder more than once, and it never affected lock up or operation.

The hammer strut also never popped out, the grip frame never broke, and it remains functional and serviceable to this day.

I'll have to go digging for those threads, but right now, given us having just moved servers, the search feature is off line.


Thank the good Lord for Google Search!

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72856
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Old November 20, 2013, 11:29 PM   #88
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I did that repeatedly, and made sure to drop it so that it would land in various aspects.

I enclosed it in heavy plastic bags so that the finish wouldn't get too chewed up.

IIRC (I recounded it all here) I dropped it close to 20 times, and it came through unscathed.

I got it to land on BOTH sides of the cylinder more than once, and it never affected lock up or operation.

The hammer strut also never popped out, the grip frame never broke, and it remains functional and serviceable to this day.
Just recounting repairs with which I had first hand experience. I dealt with it more than once.

As the saying goes, YMMV.
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Old November 21, 2013, 06:11 AM   #89
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I'm a Charter Arms fan, too.

My Off Duty, a 12 ounce pocket companion.



My old Bridgeport Undercover that has been a faithful friend for many years.



And another Bridgeport Undercover.



An old Bridgeport Bull Dog that I shortened to a 2 incher. I have a nicer Bull Dog and always wanted a .44 Special pocket gun. I found this one and modified it. It's a handful with .300 grain cast bullets.

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Old November 21, 2013, 04:53 PM   #90
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Sign me up!!! Have an Off Duty made in Stratford from the 70s a Pittbul that is very accurate and just got the Bulldog yesterday. My old one was stolen from my father in laws house 30yrs ago. the factory is 5miles down the road from house, been there a few times to get holsters and grips. Nice set-up and very friendly service.
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Old November 22, 2013, 10:01 AM   #91
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Mike Irwin: Oh great...while reading your post I sprayed Diet Coke all over my monitor! Thanks for that report. While it's pretty much accepted that revolvers, because of their exposed components, SHOULD be more fragile than autos, your testing obviously proves they CAN be quite ruigged. I picked my Charter that broke in half when I dropped it on the carpet, and glued it back together with Crazy Glue (you can do some crazt things with Crazy Glue). It works great and I'm sure it will last until it's next carpet adventure.
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Old November 22, 2013, 10:30 AM   #92
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There was another thread that kicked off that response, and I'll be damned if I've been able to find it.

The guy who was expounding on the fragility of revolvers was making some ludicrous claims.

The one I liked was something to the effect of "what if you drop your gun off a 200 foot cliff? Think you revolver would survive?"

My answer was along the lines of "I don't think it would matter which one you dropped, because you'd be disarmed and screwed at a time when you obviously needed you gun, and you've violated Irwin's First Rule of Firearms... Don't be a frigging idiot."



OH HELL! That thread is linked in my first post! I didn't see it.
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Old November 22, 2013, 01:29 PM   #93
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ROFLMAO! I love it Mike!!!!
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Old November 22, 2013, 04:24 PM   #94
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I reload for 40 S&W and tried some of my 200 grain swc in the Pitbull without success. I loaded them long for my semi auto due to the powder I used, HS-6, which filled the case and made a compressed load.
I just bought some Titegroup and loaded some rounds.
Good news is that Titegroup takes half of what HS-6 required at 3.5 grains.
I was able to load the 200 grains swc with no problems and seat them to the proper depth so they fit in the cylinder and seat properly.
As a follow up, the bullets did not all seat in the cylinder allowing it to close.
I remembered I have a Lee Factory Carbide Crimp Die for 40 S&W.
I ran a box of reloads through the crimp die, it resized the cartridge and put a good crimp on it. About 99% of the rounds now fit in the cylinder of the Pitbull allowing it to close.

I just like the thought of a 200 grain bullet out of a 5" barrel in 40 S&W.
I also have a Mechtech CCU for a Glock 22 lower that is 40 S&W making it into a 40 caliber carbine. the 200 grain bullet out of the 16" barrel is moving an estimated 1200-1300 fps.

When I hog hunt I use the Mechtech and will have the Pitbull as a sidearm.
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Old November 24, 2013, 09:45 PM   #95
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A first gen Undercover with a Tyler T-Grip and a new Bulldog with a BK grip are the only Charter Arms I currently own. The bulldog came dao and the Undercover was converted with a hammer bought from Charter Arms.
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Old November 25, 2013, 09:34 AM   #96
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RELOADING

Enfield,
I know to best use and shoot a 44SPL is to reload. But apparrently RE-LOADING is not for me. I ruined a Dan Wesson Mod. 15 trying to learn to reload, so I just buy my ammo. Safer and cheaper in the long view.

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Old November 25, 2013, 11:50 AM   #97
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I tried ALL the heavier factory .40 S&W loads in my Pitbull and ALL of them hurt like hell from recoil. Everything from 180 grain down to 155 grain. I think the HEAVIER bullet and/or the hotter-as-you-get-lighter loadings might be the problem. So I grabbed some Winchester Ranger 135 grain FMJ-Flat Point and I will try that. It's not loaded real hot and the flat point will be better than a round nose against human targets. They make a JHP of this load, but it has had mixed reviews about effectiveness.
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Old December 1, 2013, 02:24 AM   #98
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Lately I have been wanting a 6-shot .38 snub and I was looking at the Charter Police Undercover. That's what led me to this thread. It's too bad that S&W is out of the K frame snub game.

With all of the enthusiasm for Charter guns on this thread, I don't feel any hesitation for moving forward on one.

Mike, I would love to see a video of your Charter drop test if you have one. I know it was a long time ago but I always get a kick out of watching people do those wacky abuse tests on their firearms.
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Old January 22, 2014, 06:40 AM   #99
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Not sure why anyone would want a K-frame snubbie.
The J-frame is smaller and far, FAR better for concealment.
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Didn't video it. Didn't have any means of doing so.
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