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Old December 27, 2013, 12:24 AM   #1
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Newbie question: does a 9mm revolver exist?

I really like revolvers, and I know that 9mm ammo is less expensive than .38 special. So why don't you ever hear about a 9mm revolver? I did a little poking around online, and it seems it's got something to do with 9mm being rimless and wouldn't work in a revolver. If that's incorrect, feel free to educate me. Also, what's the price difference, in general, between the two calibers? Thanks.

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Old December 27, 2013, 12:26 AM   #2
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Taurus and Charter Arms currently make 9mm revolvers. S&W and others have made them in the past.
Usually, they use what is called a "moon clip" to facilitate extraction.
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Old December 27, 2013, 12:48 AM   #3
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Ruger also makes a single action revolver in .357 Magnum with an auxiliary cylinder in 9mm. That revolver has no extraction problems with 9mm, since it uses a rod ejector.

S&W and (IIRC) Charter Arms also made 9mm revolvers that used a type of extractor that did not require clips of any kind, but the mechanism was a bit complex and never gained popularity.

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Old December 27, 2013, 01:24 AM   #4
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I have a Taurus model 405 revolver in .40S&W, (another semi auto round).
It uses something called moon clips to hold the rounds, so it is kind of like a speed loader, (all 5 rounds go in, or come out, at the same time)

The problem being if one or more of the rounds is not sitting correctly in the holder, the cylinder can jam up and not rotate. So it is more of a novelty gun that a reliable one. Maybe with aftermarket moon clips, the problem would resolve, but I just have what came with the gun, and I had to deburr these when I got them.

A 38Spl+p bullet comes close to a 9mm for power, or you can get a .357 revolver and shoot weak loads and still have more ballistic energy than a 9mm. The .357 revolver can also shoot the 38 Spl rounds.
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Old December 27, 2013, 01:32 AM   #5
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9mm revolvers have generally been used by police who prefer (and are allowed) to carry a revolver for backup, but who must use department issue 9mm ammunition. For civilians who have a choice and can carry whatever ammo they want, a 9mm revolver makes little sense, since it confers few benefits over .38 Special and certainly none over .357 Magnum.

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Old December 27, 2013, 01:33 AM   #6
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This if you can find one.

http://1withabullet.wordpress.com/20...dusa-revolver/
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Old December 27, 2013, 08:04 AM   #7
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Two in the:

"If you have to ask how much they cost, don't bother since you can't afford one"

category...

Korth (Germany) and Manurhinm (France)

IIRC - Ruger made one of their "Six" series revolvers in 9mm Luger.

The Security Six maybe?
I get the Security and Speed mixed up.....
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Old December 27, 2013, 11:05 AM   #8
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9mm revolver

S&W Model 929PC
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Old December 27, 2013, 12:21 PM   #9
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Hal, Security is adjustable sights, Speed is fixed sights. Actually kind of makes sense when you think about it... of course, the naming of the "Six" series was a long time before the idiocy of Vaquero/New Vaquero for two otherwise different guns.

If Ruger made a "six" series revolver in 9mm, I don't remember it, so it was either a very short production life or not a main catalogue item. (now, in a few minutes, somebody will pop up with a pic, and catalogue #, dates of production and numbers, just to prove me wrong...again...)

The main thing is that 9mm Luger is considered a personal defense round, as its primary utility. There are much better rounds for hunting, and even better ones for target use.

SO that means to have any real market it has to be a DA revolver. And rimless rounds in DA revolvers are..complicated. Various DA guns have been made in 9mm, but never seem to stay in production. In terms of numbers, the most common 9mm revolver you will find is the Ruger Blackhawk .357 convertible. But its not sold as a defense gun, nor as a 9mm, its a single action .357, with an extra cylinder for 9mm Luger.

The only real practical advantage (or use) for a 9mm revolver is if you can only get (or use) 9mm ammo.

Now that I think back on it (without looking anything up) I do seem to vaguely recall there was a "Six" in 9mm. I think most of them were sold outside the US, or intended to be. Certainly not often seen today...
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Old December 27, 2013, 12:28 PM   #10
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S&W Model 547, 9mm

S&W made these in the early to mid 80's, 3" round butt and 4" square butt versions.
Here is my 3" 547 below the model 65 in holster.
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Old December 27, 2013, 03:05 PM   #11
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Ruger made the SP101, Speed Six, and Service Six in 9mm. Also, the Blackhawk Convertible.
S&W made the 547 and 940.
Taurus makes the 905
Charter Arms makes the Pitbull.
There's also a couple of foreign jobs out there.
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Old December 27, 2013, 04:12 PM   #12
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Ruger also makes Single-Action revolvers in 45Colt/45ACP.

S&W makes the 625, which is chambered in .45ACP

And if you have a bunch of money you don't need, some custom shops (Gemini, for isntance) will turn your plain jane GP100 into a 10mm wheel gun with lots of pretty extras.
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Old December 27, 2013, 05:16 PM   #13
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In terms of numbers, the most common 9mm revolver you will find is the Ruger Blackhawk .357 convertible. .
Maybe ten years ago but it would surprise me if that is still true. I think Taurus and charter have sold a surprising number of their 9mm pistol. If I buy another centerfire revolver in a production round it will probably be in 9mm(BUG) or 45acp(C&R).

I looked for an SP101 for a while. One popped up on gun broker and sold for far more than a new sp101 in 357. I decided to abandon that venture.
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Old December 27, 2013, 05:41 PM   #14
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i carried 9mm moon clips for my smith and wesson model 940 in a watch pocket of my dungarees for years. none ever failed to work and the cylinder never jammed. moon clips are much faster to use to reload than a speed loader and speed strips, a definite advantage of a 9mm revolver that takes moon clips over a 38 or 357 that doesnt. my 9mm revolver was used for work as well as off duty and can in no way be described accurately as a novelty
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Old December 27, 2013, 05:47 PM   #15
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Not only revolvers...

As noted, several US manufacturers (Ruger and Smith & Wesson, primarily) made double action revolvers chambered for 9mm Luger. As I recall, the main intent was for non - US contracts to supply revolvers to military and police units in countries with 'limited training' programs. (This was prior to Glock, by the way.)

They were sold and used as indicated. Both Ruger and S&W didn't make them very long. I'm sure the reasons were all financial.

Somewhere along the line, Federal started manufacturing the 9mm Federal round. It was a rimmed version of the standard 9mm Luger round, and was made to function as a revolver round in a revolver without moon clips or other tricks. It was introduced to work with the original Charter Arms revolver so chambered. Then the original Charter Arms folded and Federal quit making them.

Just a bit of trivia on the subject.
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Old December 27, 2013, 07:00 PM   #16
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Here's what Ruger has listed on their site under the serial number range

"Security Six, Speed Six, Service Six Revolver
(Manufactured from 1972 to 1988)
Calibers: 357 Mag, 38 Spl, 9mm"


IIRC , the main reason for the 9mm chambering was simply for compatibility with semi autos.
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Old December 27, 2013, 10:14 PM   #17
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FWIW the 9mm Charter Arms Pitbull is supposedly in production, but my local Charter dealer reports that they're basically unobtainable; for some reason, he can get them easily in .40S&W, but they're evidently not making enough of them in 9mm.
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Somewhere along the line, Federal started manufacturing the 9mm Federal round. It was a rimmed version of the standard 9mm Luger round, and was made to function as a revolver round in a revolver without moon clips or other tricks. It was introduced to work with the original Charter Arms revolver so chambered. Then the original Charter Arms folded and Federal quit making them.
Just so there's no confusion... the new Pitbull is set up for standard 9mm Luger. Only the original Pitbull was set up for 9mm Federal, which is basically a 9mm Luger cartridge with a slightly fattened rim added.

IIRC the previous iteration of the Charter Arms company went bankrupt and halted production almost immediately after the original Pitbull and the 9mm Federal round came out, and very few of the guns were sold; today, the ammo is much easier to find than an original Pitbull to fire it in. (AFAIK 9mm Federal won't work in a standard 9mm revolver or autoloader, so most of this ammo has spent the last 20 years gathering dust.)
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Old December 28, 2013, 09:16 AM   #18
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My 9mm Rugers (both long out of production but can be found on the used market).

Speed Six


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Old December 28, 2013, 11:04 AM   #19
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Probably showing my age here, but the Israelis had a 9mm revolver around 1949~1950 or so as I recall.

The gun was a close copy of the S&W Model 10 and looked like a minature S&W M1917 revolver.

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Old December 28, 2013, 11:40 AM   #20
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S&W Model 929PC

Looks like a competition gun for revolver shooters. Certainly not an easy carry gun.
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Old December 28, 2013, 11:50 AM   #21
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taurus 905 is by far the cheapest option, personally have had a good experience with taurus, but i only own one, others might have a different opinion on them

but the taurus 905 is on sale for 329$ at my local gun shop, very light and looks the same as the 605
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Old October 30, 2014, 01:58 AM   #22
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it seems odd to me that the sw ejecting (if true) revolvers in 9mm didnt catch on better than they did despite the alleged higher machining costs. regular shooters coudl have made the difference up with shooting more cheap 9mm rounds.

the charter 9mm extracing revolver only seems slightly different than the decades older sw so i dont understand why much is being made of it...a fraudulent 'much' i guess. or why a crude revolver from a tiny company is the one remaking the extracting 9mm wheelgun
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Old October 30, 2014, 11:38 AM   #23
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this one (unless I missed it in reading the posts?) . . .

Ruger now offers the LCR in 9mm Luger . . . .

http://www.ruger.com/products/lcr/models.html

First on on the list of what they offer the LCR in . . .
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Old October 30, 2014, 01:41 PM   #24
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it seems odd to me that the sw ejecting (if true) revolvers in 9mm didnt catch on better than they did despite the alleged higher machining costs. regular shooters coudl have made the difference up with shooting more cheap 9mm rounds.
It's not totally clear by your post if you're addressing the Smith & Wesson revolvers directly, but if you are...

Smith & Wesson really never made those 547's for the American sales market. Those guns were developed for an overseas service/police contract and the contract went bad so they were cleared out back here. IIRC, they only made about 10,000 of them.

Also, at the time, 9mm ammo wasn't much (if any) of a savings over .38 Special ammo. Perhaps if you were buying chinese milsurp 9x19 you could save a buck, but for mainstream ammo from Federal, Remington or Winchester, .38 Special was the most popular handgun round in the country.
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Old October 30, 2014, 01:46 PM   #25
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Don't know if this has been covered yet, but there is a 9mm federal, a rimmed round, that I recommend that you avoid. Use of a rimless round with moon clips is good. Use of a rimmed round with speedloaders isn't as good as moon clips, in my experience.

Do not wind up with a 9mm revolver that was intended for the 9mm rimmed.
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