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Old February 18, 2011, 09:03 PM   #1
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FN Browning 1922

I picked up a Browning 1922 this afternoon from my friendly neighborhood enabler. It seems like it's in pretty good shape and all the numbers match. The one thing that surprised me is that there are no German marks on it - I had thought that serials 25,000-60,000 or thereabouts were seized by the Nazis. Anyway, it's a nice little police or commercial pistol, I guess, and a nice companion to my Ortgies.



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Old February 18, 2011, 09:22 PM   #2
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They're neat. I personally like the look of the M1910 better, but anything FN is good for the most part. Regarding waffenamts on these, I would think that anything made before the Belgium invasion may or may not have waffenamts since invariably some guns must have escaped them for their own use. Many of the waffenamt M1922s that I have seen also have brown checkered grips. I believe your grips to be earlier, probably because your gun is earlier, which also can help explain the lack of waffenamt.
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Old February 18, 2011, 11:25 PM   #3
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Serial numbering on the M1922 is chaotic. Regular series production started at 200,000, but many contract purchasers insisted on their own serial number range for inventory control. (The low number pistols seized by the Germans at the factory were from a Dutch contract.) There were also post-war guns made for the French and German police with low numbers.

Are there any other markings on the gun that would indicate contract production?

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Old February 19, 2011, 02:34 AM   #4
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It's my understanding that your gun in the 30,000 range is a post WWII Danish contract. Guns in that particular range sometimes also sport checkered wooden grips like those used on WWII guns. I own several examples and have seen them in the 20,000 to 40,000 SN range.

I believe that guns with only 16 slide serrations are post war, while WWII Nazi Occupation guns have 17 serrations and pre-war guns have 18. Another post war feature is the slide extension with no "scallop" where it meets the slide.
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Old February 21, 2011, 11:06 PM   #5
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Spent the weekend in the frozen north of the Central Idaho Mountains where we were blissfully free of telephones and the Internet. Here is a closeup of the markings on the frame:



I tried to get a picture of the marks on the barrel, but I just couldn't get focused on it with my cheap camera. They are, though, pretty much the same as you see above the trigger with the addition of the Belgian proof symbol (the crown with the circled letters).
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Old February 22, 2011, 10:06 AM   #6
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FWIW those markings appear identical to markings I've seen on other commercial FN 1910 and 1922 pistols.
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Old February 24, 2011, 10:18 AM   #7
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Just to let everybody know, the fellas over at luger.gunboards.com figured out that it's a 1946 model. The 6 in the square on the trigger guard is the clue. Apparently when FN started producing new post-war models, they restarted the serial numbers and created some sort of dating code. That the number 6 coincided with 1946 was coincidence. Subsequent numbers may not match the year.
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Old February 24, 2011, 07:36 PM   #8
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Love both of mine. Here's a treat for you,,,,,,,,, and it's factory;


My other is a complete Luftwaffe rig.
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Old February 24, 2011, 09:19 PM   #9
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Old February 24, 2011, 10:35 PM   #10
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While your nickeled 1922 is pretty, it's not factory plated.
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Old February 25, 2011, 03:13 PM   #11
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FN 1922 collection

For those who appreciate FN 1922 pistols, here is my collection of pre-war or wartime pistols:

Dutch, complete rig all pictured items have stamped matching numbers:
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

Turkish
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

Waffenamt marked WaA613
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

Greek
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

French Navy
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

Shangai police
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

Serbian
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

Waffenamt marked, WaA140 later model
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

Waffenamt marked, WaA140 not-as-late model, complete rig
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink


And a few other FN pistols:

FN 1900, Factory nickel
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

FN 1906 vest pocket, Imperial Russian
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

FN 1903, Swedish
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

FN High power, WaA140, complete rig
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink

FN 1910, with capture papers
https://picasaweb.google.com/dhsass/...eat=directlink
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Old February 25, 2011, 03:23 PM   #12
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"Darwins," if I'm not mistaken, we met at a gun show in Phoenix some years back and discussed 1922's.

I, too have a French Navy piece with the peculiar finish, as well as several Serbian and Croatian pieces that I have decided to sell as of late. Also a Koninklijke Marichausee "M1925" Dutch pistol, a Greek Army, a horrible T.C. Subay that I have to keep in the garage at night so the howling doesn't keep me awake, and various other Nazi, Danish, Dutch, French Army, etc..

The one that I am particularly proud of is the Toulouse Police pistol as I understand that that particular contract was only about 200 or so pieces.
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Old February 25, 2011, 04:14 PM   #13
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You have some nice pieces too. Some I've only heard of and never seen. They are a fun pistol to collect. I may be selling some of my pieces as well though as I consider other interests. Unfortunately, I don't think we have met. I've not been to any guns hows in Phoenix.
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Old February 25, 2011, 05:13 PM   #14
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OMG!! Is it possible that there are TWO Darwins interested in 1922's???
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Old February 25, 2011, 08:40 PM   #15
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Look this link below :

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge...01922%20gb.htm

This is my pistol FN cal 7.65 mm

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Old February 25, 2011, 11:38 PM   #16
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Here's it's buddy;


Sorry Bill, I'm gonna have to disagree with you about the plating. It's a post War .380 and F&N did produce them. Another example is is located at

http://www.olarmyjoel.com/Virtual%20...ing%201922.htm

and I'll defer to By Col. W.R. Betz's article concerning 1922 deluxe models - not to be confused with the Renaissance model.

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Old February 26, 2011, 12:31 AM   #17
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This is my pistol FN cal 7.65 mm
Luis, judging by the mark by the serial number, your gun appears to be a post WWII Berlin police issue.
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Old February 27, 2011, 04:25 AM   #18
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Close-up Pictures

[IMG]http:[/IMG]

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Old February 27, 2011, 04:40 AM   #19
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Sorry Bill, I'm gonna have to disagree with you about the plating. It's a post War .380 and F&N did produce them. Another example is is located at
All factory plated 1922's I have ever seen have blued triggers and thumb safeties. Also, the "custom" FN factory grips in the photos in your link really appear to be Franzite knockoffs since, if you look closely, the molded checkering on them is not in a straight line.
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Old February 27, 2011, 03:38 PM   #20
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The only pictures I've been able to find of them, the trigger was silver as was the safety. You did cause me to go to the safe to look at the grips. They aren't pebbled and do make straight lines (poor photography on my part - angle), though they're not horn or ivory, and certainly are molded and not cut. It is however the spitting image of the one pictured here;
http://www.olarmyjoel.com/Virtual%20...ing%201922.htm
Though I would contend mine's in better shape. To be truthful, any picture of one, other that the one pictured in the link above, would be welcomed. The FN 1922 is wonderful shooter overlooked quite a bit in documentation or history. If anyone has Browning research material I would be willing to give the serial number to get a definative answer. The ol-timer I bought it from said he had bought it over 50 years ago and it just sat in his safe.

I guess my Lugers have spoiled me in so far as documentation, if there's any out there, or on line sources for the 1922, I sure would like to see them.
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Old February 27, 2011, 04:27 PM   #21
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I would love to be wrong.
Just because FN produced factory plated guns does not mean yours is one of them.
If you post clear closeups, any one of us can tell if the plating job is factory.
In the fuxxy pic you have provided, the plating appears to be a "bumper shop" job.
Also, Franzite stocks have ribs moulded in the hollow underside. Factory grips are solid.
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Old February 27, 2011, 04:58 PM   #22
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FN, as a rule, did not nickel plate moving parts such as the safety and trigger. Here is an FN 1900 that I own. Notice the safety, trigger and a couple of screws are blued. Anthony Vanderlinden, a noted expert on FN Browning pistols, confirmed this FN 1900 is factory plated. Anthony is one of the few people FN has ever allowed access to their files. I have seen another pistol just like yours for sale at a gun show. I know from first hand experience that the seller was a snake oil salesman. When I asked Anthony about the pistol I saw that resembles yours, he told me that he has seen no evidence that FN ever produced any model 1922 pistols with a Nickel finish. He also stated the white plastic grip panels were aftermarket. I believe I saw the very same pistol for sale later in a gun shop in Pocatello, Idaho.
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Old February 27, 2011, 08:26 PM   #23
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@ Bill The plating is pretty good though it is beginning to show its age, it's crisp. I've done quite a bit of plating in my time as well, though most nickel as a pre for gold. The pictures still elude me as it is a very gloss shine - allot of reflection. I'm taking the pictures in the studio - daylight light lights.







The grips are marked FN-38 Browning, then a franzite logo. What are the postwar black grips made from? What markings do they have?

BTW, nice engraving, always love good work. A guy named Santi tried to teach me it until the #52 graver went into that space between the thumb and forefinger. I stick to wax, it carves easier.


@ Darwin You have a SME that says they didn't, I have one that says they did and shows a picture of it. Your SME states he has seen no evidence that they nickel plated any 1922, my responce is; Has he looked? I was hoping somebody that has researched this may have had a definative answer, or be a member of Browning Collectors Association where they might be able to find out. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is post war, therefore records do exist. Maybe the Lugers have spoiled me with the amount of information available.

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Old February 27, 2011, 10:03 PM   #24
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Well, we know that Franzite didn't make grips for FN or Browning.
I'll try to enlarge and sharpen your pictures and look at them. It's not so much the plating, but the metal finish before plating.
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Old February 27, 2011, 10:13 PM   #25
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Your pictures are still too bad to say for sure. Try a macro camera setting, and let the gun fill the entire viewfinder.
So far, it looks as if sharp edges were rolled when polishing, and the plating was done over some pitting or surface imperfections. FN would not have done this.
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